
(he learnt this within a few days of us getting him)
>Mastifflover and mines advice is what has been done for generations and has never failed as far as I am aware
Perhaps best to look at the bigger picture and let the OP take from the experiences offered what s/he will.

We're each entitled to an opinion and to air it on the forum 
>In every book I have ever read it says to use this method and it has been proven to work
>Sorry but I really disagree with you on this one and hope your words wont effect anyone who reads this poist and deems this effective method cruel as that would be completely misinformed
I think perhaps you're getting a little ahead of yourself here unless of course you have some professional qualification to pass judegement on advice of someone else's experience and conclude that their input is of lesser value somehow than your own! Perhaps you will link to the "proof" that your way is the right and only way?
>You think its cruel to leave a puppy screaming even when its the first night home and its crated for the first night?
>You think its cruel to leave a puppy screaming even when its the first night home and its crated for the first night?

>How would you stop the situation being cruel? let him slep in your bed and then be stuck with him there for the rest of his life? lol

>It cant be helped the first night as you cant run down the stairs every 2 mins, and the more you resct to his cries the more he knows he can use them to have you at his side

>A method can be proven to work, of course it can, but all may not agree with it still.

>Can i have his crate in our room for the first night but then downstairs as normal the 2nd night?
I prefer a crate as this keeps them safely away from wires - my only REAL concern as the consequences are unthinkable. I have the crate in my bedroom with me so can hear the pup stir and wake up and then let it out to relieve itself regularly overnight. If timing feeds and play etc well enough (not easy LOL), it's possible to get about 5 hours sleep before needing to take the puppy out during the night but probably 4 hours is more realistic. I take them out to have a wee etc., make no fuss, just bring them back in and put back to bed. It's surprising how easily they can take to this routine and you can relax better knowing that they are not lying in a soiled bed etc.
Put a blanket or toy smelling of mum in with pup. Also put something smelling of new owner in too like a t-shirt for eg. Cover the top and all but front door of cage with a blanket to make it snug, dark and den like. During the day before bedtime feed the puppy in the crate (door open) and give chews etc in there when he's relaxing. When he doses off lift him in gently and he'll wake up in there too after daytime naps.
>So we should have the crate upstairs until he can go through the night without needing a wee etc?

He wont miss sleeping upstairs if you dont make a big deal of anything - i.e. when lights are out he should just settle, when you need to take him out to toilet be calm and quiet as possible until you put him back to bed so he doesn't feel he's missing out on anything
If being in the bedroom is just temporary start to get him used to being crated beside Mitz during the day when you're having a shower etc - even if Mitz isn't crated but just loose in the same room. Canine company plays a huge part in settling youngsters quickly - obviously not everyone has a second dog so you're one step ahead already
) and playing with him a lot & talking in that high pitch 'baby' voice (like I do with my pup - ohh you little cutie etc.. in a high pitched voice!!!), it maybe that he just finds you too fun to be without ?? In which case it could be worth trying to be a lot more 'quiet' with him (ie: soft, slow talking tones, stroking him slowly etc.), to make you appear not so over-stimulating??

When he's had a spurt of excited activity, been fed and been toiletted, put him in with something smelling of yourself (like a t-shirt/pj's etc) and give him something to occupy his already tiring mind and body such as a stuffed kong to lick and chew at. Wait with him until he settles happily and then try moving away, within his sight and/or hearing. It takes patience if working with a puppy which has already been getting itself in a tizzy so you may have to drag out these periods for a longer term than normal now that it's become an issue for both of you.
I don't know if crates will become more popular nowadays with the amount of places selling them to the GP (when I first used one it was on loan from a breeder friend and I was gobsmacked at the sight LOL) but nowadays even PAH sell them.

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>My dog slept in a crate on his own from the first night i got him (aged 7 weeks)
Was he calm, happy, settled and completely clean/dry overnight or did he cry, howl, squeal and soil his crate?>Think sometimes you just have to take the bull by the horns and "be cruel to be kind"
Perhaps it was just an unfortunate turn of phrase ....

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