any tips welcome!!! our 10 month old pup insists on weeing an sometimes pooping in the dining room where he sleeps, he will even come in from the outside and tiddle in there!! he sleeps in there on a night and will even tiddle in his cage. The litter was whelped in that room and so i dont know if thats half the problem as from a newborn he always tiddled in there albeit it in the whelping box and then on newspaper when training the litter. The room has patio doors and then a huge puppy run coming straight out from the doors so he really has no excuse, we are running out of ideas!!!! the rest of the litter are exceptionally clean and we have had compliments from their owners regarding this, trust us to keep the mucky pup, good job we absolutely love him to bits.

I must admit to having had a similar problem. I have a theory that it is because it was allowed to 'go' in the house as a pup so it is taking longer to realise that it not allowed any more, whereas the others have left the 'toileting' house and know that the new homes are to be kept clean It does eventually click, it just seems to take a bit longer. Make sure that you clean it up properly with bio washing powder and carry on putting pup outside as you would if it was still a baby puppy.

Hi bertsmum,

with LindyLou here that it might be a knock-on affect from when all the littermates were there and toileting the norm. 

I think super-fussy hygeine on your part will be essential to ensure that not only floors but the bars of the run and crate are permanently scent free (a fiddly job with puppy panels, crates etc, unless you have a pressure hose and weather to use it but still do-able without one  )

Over and above that I recommend you keep his toilet training at its most basic level - i.e. as though 10 weeks rather than 10 months.  Take him out VERY regularly, always supervised, and use your word of choice when he starts to empty bladder or bowels, praise and then bring him back in.  I wouldn't allow him unrestricted garden/run access until you have worked rigorously on this problem for a few weeks at least so that he makes the association completely that toilet duties are always OUTSIDE - even when caught short

HTH, Teri

Buster is 7 & half months old now, he is fine during the day but still has a wee or 2 during the night, sometimes a poo aswell. As he is a Mastiff these are rather HUGE accidents!!!! but something that he'll grow out of in time.

This is progress to what he was like 8 weeks ago. He would just wee wherever he was, even if he was in his bed!!! (I think part of that was his bad leg though).

We found when Buster was weeing whever he was, it was because he was too busy playing to go to the loo & by the time he realised he really should go it was too late. Or when I took him out, he was to busy sniffing to have a wee, so he did it when he came back in   So I started to take him outside and stay with him, i wouldn't let him back in untill he had relieved himself (even if it took 20 mins in the rain), this seemed to get the message through.

He is soooo good during the day now, he'll go & sit by the back door & wait to be let out, if I don't appear he'll come find me, nudge me in the leg with his big squishy nose then sit by my side untill I take him to the garden bless him

Your pup may well have just got used to doing it in the dining room. Is it possible for you to take him out & not bring him back in untill he's 'been', rather than him being free to go in & out.

I'm having a similar problem with mine (don't mean to crash your post)

He's 11 months, not bred by me so did all the toilet training etc and he's been a little star with letting me know he needs out, but when he's in his cage during the morning's, left from half 8 to 12ish, he wee's his bed and shreds it, he doesn't do it at night or if i stick him in there whilst cleaning etc (loves to chase the hoover and eat the water from the hose pipe in the yard)

I never punish him by putting him in his cage as he loves it and gets all his treats in there. I just don't know what to do. He's had lots of toys to keep him occupied then I tried only a few toys then tried toys stuffed with treats. can anyone help?

Gemma, I would say that this is a completely different thing.This is probably just not being able to hold it in for  long enough. 3 1/2 hours is a long time for a pup of any age You would probably find that he will go to the toilet not long after he has had a nap, which is normal. Unfortunately he can't get outside, so has to go where he is. Can you not find someone who could let him out after a couple of hours? Just until he is old enough to learn to hold it in for longer. At 11 months he is alos going through the change from being a puppy into adolescence, so will feel the urge a bit more. Again, hopefully he would grow oput of it once his hormones calm down.

hi, i think you all come to the same conclusion as me, that his problem is because it is the room he was born in to etc, i have bleached,steam cleaned, etc etc etc all to no avail, unfortunately have no other room for him to sleep in, as kitchen is for the bitches and lounge room is for the older 2, he is not alone though as his older brother from previous litter sleeps with him, have tried leaving him out of the cage to curl up with bertie but still with no success!!! but he is sat the side of me with big puppy brown eyes, with that i may be a piddle pot but look at the second i got at crufts look on his face and i ALMOST forgive him !!!

I am interested you have bleached in there. I have read that bleach encourages dogs to toilet.
Maybe you could try getting hold of a specialist cleaner for dog accidents which are available from petshops and cleaning with that. Also be very vigilant when all is clean to avoid accidents, can you pen him up for the night in his bed providing he is old enough to hold it for the night if he has to, as he presumably won't mess his actual bed, going back to training as if for a new puppy with vigilance and praise for correct behaviour, rushing in to stop the incorrect behaviour.

I have a 9 month old pup who wees and poos inside. He will also wee in his bed or on my other dogs bed. It almost seems deliberate. I use special dog cleaners and bio washing powder but he still carries on. Its really frustrating and i wonder if there are any other methods

If there is no medical reason for going to the toilet in the house then it just has to be perseverence. Taking them out more often and cleaning it up properly without making too much of an issue is the only real way I found. It does eventually click. The recent lovely summery ( ) weather hasn't helped. Who wants to stay outside in the rain and high winds when you can go inside?

If you are trying to housetrain your dog you have to go outside with it every time without fail it is no good just opening the door for the dog and letting it go out unattended because firstly you need to be with it to see if it has actually gone to the toilet and secondly you have to be there to praise/reward the dog when he is actually performing.
If you stay indoors and treat your dog when he comes back inside he won't associate the praise for going to the toilet but with coming back indoors so timing is critical.

Hi, thanks for the tips, though i did think one or two of you thought i was a novice, far from it!!! this is why been so frustrating with him. Anyway the tip about not using bleach seems to have hit the spot, not used it for 2 nights and low and behold no piddled bed!!! have always been queen of the domestos!!! So fingers crossed may have turned a corner. Thanks for your help

Hope things keep going well! I must admit to not knowing about the bleach until I came on here

Sometimes we will answer in a way that would help others in a similar situation, so it may seem that we are a bit OTT with the advice

Hi bertsmum

whoops, sorry   Too easy to get into "standard technques apply" mode LOL.

Sounds promising though so fingers crossed you've got him on the right road.  Regards, Teri