Do a lot of show people do this with registation then? Endorse the papers and state they are not to be shown , just incase of  sheer embarrassment to their own lines ?

You can't do it now. There are only 2 endorsements you can put on KC papers, progeny not to be registered (often referred as not to be bred from) and export pedigree not to be issued.  The not to be shown endorsement  option was removed several year ago.  Not wanting pet standard dogs to be shown is not necessarily in case of embarrassment - of course you want the best of your own breeding in the ring, and some pups/dogs are simply not show standard.  It is depressing to both the breeder and owner for a dog to be consistenlty beaten.  Lots of dogs have faults which, whilst not in anyway stopping them from being great pets, makes them unsuitable to show.  Showing is pretty much a showcase of breeders stock - you show off your years of hard work creating bloodlines, breed type, etc., and it makes sense to want the best of your dogs to be shown.  It is simply impossilbe for every dog anyone breeds to be top quality, or even show quality. 

I know about the restrictions on Kc papers ... just wondered if show ppl put it  in the contracts ....must learn how to phrase things better... Was not trying to be arsey about it , was just asking as i had never heard of it before .... shows i know little eh ...lol (and can't phrase things well .. i just write as i would talk ...lol)
But this statement   ""Showing is pretty much a showcase of breeders stock - you show off your years of hard work creating bloodlines, breed type, etc., and it makes sense to want the best of your dogs to be shown.""    has made me fully understand the reason why some might do it and i agree .... Because, if i had devoted years to a breeding line i would not want it ruined either .    But can you really tell if a pup is going to be so far from breed standard not to be shown at such an early age ? (just me asking a question again ..lol)

> But can you really tell if a pup is going to be so far from breed standard not to be shown at such an early age ?

It depends.  Lots of faults, such as mismarks, are seen very early on.  Others, like incorrect bites may be apparent early or gradulaly develop into an undesirable state.  Tailsets are seen fairly early, but tail carriage may not be apparent until later.  Shoulder placement, toplines, angulation etc also varies - basically if it is poor early on it is unlikley to get better, but sometimes promising pups can "go off" later.  This is why it is easier to guarantee that a puppy will not be show standard than it is to guarantee that one will be    Then you have movement and attitude.  Most baby pups move nicely, as they mature and the angles change movement can "go off", attitude is usually apparent early on, and quieter pup is unlikely to set the show ring alight.  Of course you also have the upbrining and training which factors in before you get the finished article - usually out of the breeders control after a pup is sold.

We often run on several pups from a litter before we decide who we are keeping, the changes from 8 weeks to 6 months can be amazing, but not everyone has the facilities/ability to do this.  Another thing to bear in mind is a persons opinion of what is a show dog, different people have different standards, different abilities to asses pups and dogs.  Then, when one refers to a show dog, are we referring to a dog who has a great chance of becoming a Ch, or one who will be lots of fun to show at Open shows, doing plenty of winning but be unplaced or get low places at Ch shows.  Then, how qualified is the breeder to evaluate the pups, what success have they had?  Have they years of experience and lots of success with well established lines and an indepth knowledge of how their pusp grow on, or are they newish to breeding so have not yet had the opportunity to make an educated guess at the pup's potential (this later classification often consider they have a whole litter of show quality pups - an experienced breeder is delighted to think they have one or two in a litter who may make it!)

Thanks for that ...... i have seen adds where they state show quality pups and always wondered if it mean't the parents were winners and so the pups must be ... but i suppose it means jack really .... as if litters produce so few potential showers (could not think of a better word there )the show quality pups will have been placed anyway....

> But can you really tell if a pup is going to be so far from breed standard not to be shown at such an early age ? (just me asking a question again ..lol)

I would imagine that in some breeds with specific markings or colours mis marked and mis coloured and wrong coated ones would b e obviously not show standard.

My own breed the pups are all supposed to be the one colour so only excessive white would make a dog obviously not showable.  You might also be able to tell a pup that was very long in body (should be square), but the rest is pretty much a calculated guess.

Of course a breeder has no way of knowing if the mouth will turn out bad, eyes end up too light, pup not make or go over size etc, not develop good bone (affected by rearing), and the not particularly promising pup may go on to become a really good one and the one with early promise may fail to reach it.