out of interest i would just like to know do breeders microchip all there puppies first then when sold  at 8 weeks put in new owners name and address to regester  before collection, or do they wait until the day of collection when the new owners come to pick the puppy up, just wondering if you have several people picking up puppies at the same time it could be very time consuming,

i do i mirco chip them  a couple of days before they go and reg them in the new owners name when they collocet them on the day.

depending on the number in the litter and new owners arrangement i will only let a couple of puppie go each day it better for mum than having all of then go on the same day so she dosnt get up set but i do give a 1 1/2 hour for each new owner to pick up they new pup fill in forms,kc reg paper,contacts,pet insurance,food diet sheet and other detail they need.

I've microchipped all the puppies I ve bred, all 2 litters!!
Don't let them go til they have been chipped, and vet checked.

When I first started to chip my puppies I put them in the new owners name. However, I now put them into my name first and ask the new owners to change the information as soon as they can, along with the KC registration. That way the litter can hopefully be traced back to me if anything goes wrong and the new owner cannot be traced. It also encourages the new owners to remember to change the details with the KC, as not every one does.

thankyou for your reply, good idea to only let a couple at a time go i was just wondering how it worked as people dont always turn up  when they are asked.

thankyou for your reply,very sensible i would not let them go until they had been microchipped ist vacination either,

thankyou for your reply.i see what you mean so they just pay the extra for transfer of ownership like the k.c,  

I Tattoo all my pups and give the new owner the transfer forms.  I do encourage them to have them chipped once they have their jabs, as that way I know at least one form of permanent ID and ownership will be in their name, as many don't even transfer the ownership with the KC.

My tattooist also chips and it is very reasonable and I did consider getting both done with the current litter, but decided against for the above reason, and only had my own girl done at the same time.

There is so much paperwork at the time pups are picked up (contract, KC documents, Recepts, and arranging Puppy Insurance over the phone), I would find having to do the chip paperwork and avoiding making a mistake (I don't have a scanner) just something I don't want to do.

i chip them and keep them in my name unless they specifically ask for it to be transferred to them

> microchipped ist vaccination either,

You will find many breeders like myself do not like to have pups go with first vaccinations as invariably the new owners vets use a different vaccine and vaccination protocol and pups end up being vaccinated again from scratch.  With so much worry about the risks to the immature immune system from over vaccination many of us prefer that pups either leave with no vaccinations with arrangements for the new owners to get them done a t the proper time, or with pups that are likely to stay past 10 or 12 weeks to have them fully vaccinated.

I have this situation at the moment the last puppy in the litter has had his first vaccination and now won't be going to his new home until the 11th as the second jab is due on the 6th, even though he now has a home ready to go to.

>I would find having to do the chip paperwork and avoiding making a mistake (I don't have a scanner) just something I don't want to do.

That's a very good point, and something that hadn't occurred to me, because in my breed no two puppies look alike. In a litter of (to the untrained eye) identical puppies (6 black lab bitch puppies, for example) each chipped pup would need to be scanned just before homing to make sure the right paperwork is allocated to it. Do all breeders who have their pups chipped before sale also have their own scanner?

I chip mine but don't register the chip until I have been paid for the pup and the new owner have left with it -but I do do it as soon as they've walked out the door. Otherwise I'd have a puppy chipped in somebody's name that doesn't own it yet.

Do all breeders who have their pups chipped before sale also have their own scanner?
Presumably anyone who chips THEMSELVES do. I too scan each pup before handing it over, and show the owner.

jenegenie yes i am sure all breeders that chip would have to have there own scanner,they would have to show the new owners that the puppy had been chipped, and to make sure the chip is actually in there, and it stops the confusion of puppies getting mixed up if they do all look the same. molly.

> jenegenie yes i am sure all breeders that chip

Ah but what about breeders that have the pups chipped by soemoen else, this is where the danger of mix-up lies, I always quickly check the tattoos, but of course by then I know all the pups as individuals, and their tattoo paperwork has their registered names.

hi brainless i can see where your coming from, in the case of someone else chipping your puppies, they would have at least half dozen sticky bar codes with the chip number on it, 1 to be regestered on paperwork for chipping company,1 for new owners paperwork, 1 for there own records, so there would be a few left normally one goes to insurance companies and one for any pet passport that may be needed, these go to the new owners , and with the last one you could stick it to the puppies collar they are very hard to peel off and if you are using the unbreakable paper collars then every thing should be fine at least until the puppy is going to the vets, most vets have scanners and they can i.d the puppy with the owners paperwork. if that fails its back to the old fashioned way of i.d or just make sure the chipper is there when puppies are collected. molly

I rarely chip my smaller breed puppies as its a large needle and they are tiny babies.  The ones I keep are not microchipped until 6 months.

I have not inoculated all my leaving puppies in the past, only the ones I was keeping for longer than 12 weeks, but I am looking at doing this now as a general rule.

>they would have at least half dozen sticky bar codes with the chip number on it,

Yes, we do microchipping where I work so I know how the system works. All the sticky barcodes in the world won't help when you have 6 identical puppies running around which have been previously chipped and no collars (very common that they'd get chewed off by siblings). Without a scanner how does the breeder know she's giving the right paperwork with each puppy?

the collars i am talking about are very hard to remove they come in all sorts of bright colours so each puppy would have a different colour collar to begin with ,the bar code would be stuck on the collar and they are just as hard to remove, this could be done on the morning before collection i know where your coming from regarding siblings chewing them but i doubt this would happen if they are being watched by the breeder in that short space of time, if you have no collars then you use some other form of i.d and file it. or you just get the new puppy owner to hold the puppy whilst you microchip then attatch the puppies lead, i am sure that most breeders have there own scanners as you do microchipping at work you will know that the chips are bought in packs of 10 so a lot of breeders shall bye 20 and may have a litter of 12 and as this leaves them with 8 left they will advertise to microchip other dogs as the chips  are quite expensive i know they can be kept and used on the next litters but breeders need to recoup there outlay  in the case of them microchipping  other dogs, they have to make sure the dog has not been chipped before , and to make sure the chip has actually taken, as mistakes can happen, i dont think i would chip any dog if i did not have a scanner i am not actually sure  if it goes  against the policies  of the microchipping firms , or pet log etc not to have a scanner when chipping.failing all that you do one puppy at a time and i am sure in most cases to a breeders eye they can tell the difference in there puppies there may be just very slight differences but i am sure if you study your puppies there shall allways be something.

>i am sure that most breeders have there own scanners

I very much doubt it. Most breeders aren't trained to microchip, therefore there's no need to buy a scanner. Not even all dog wardens have a scanner!

any inplanter has to be trained and take a cource they have to have an implanter code to by the chips in the first instance, not all dog wardens have done the cource on microchipping so thats probably why they have not got a scanner, but what ever holding or resque home they are taking these animals will no doubt have some sort of microchip scanner on the premises.

> have the pups chipped by soemoen else, this is where the danger of mix-up lies

It would still be more work, but just thought - in your case, if you have already had them tattooed, you can link the tattoo number with the chip number in your paperwork when they are done and so know which is which.

As far as I am aware anyone can buy a microchip scanner - but they are quite expensive!

As far as I am aware anyone can buy a microchip scanner - but they are quite expensive!

they need there inplanter code to by the chips, and i am  not sure if its the same for just buying scanners.

I don't have collars on my pups until they leave for their new homes, how would I be sure which barcodes went with which pup?  No I will stick to the visible tattoo and let new owners chip if they wish/need to.

I am a breeder and a microchiper so do both at the same time, I do the pups on the day they are collected.  I used to put them straight into their new owners name but these days I put them into my name, I want to be contacted if Petlog or a vets etc can't get hold of their owners.

A couple of years back I had a call from a vet's practise about a rescue schip I'd chipped that had been involved in a hit and run car accident.  They were desperate to find the owners and wanted to know if I had any other contact details, so quick call to our rescue co-ordinator and no we had no more uptodate information.  When I rang the vets back I could hear the dog screaming and the vet just said 'I need permission to put this dog down will you give it?'  I asked about its injuries, what sort of pain relief it had already been given, what the progonosis was and if it were the vets own dog would he pts?  The dog had an exposed spinal fracture with fractures to both rear legs and pelvis - erm needed no more information I said yes pts is your only option under those circumstances, hell if it was my dog I'd neck you for NOT pts.  Poor chap was well relieved.

A few days later I got a letter from the owners thanking me for ending his misery and how badly they felt that I'd needed to give the permission, seems he'd been in the garden and the paperboy had left the gate open, they were out searching for him when the accident happend.  So now I think rather them get hold of me than no one, if this happend to another owner.

On the scanner front there is one you can buy that covers all types of chip, as different parts of the world use different types of chips and its backwards compatible.  I brought it for my friend as she was bringing my boy back into the UK after gaining his US title and they couldn't read the Trovan chip he'd got implanted in her area!

LOLOL Barbara if I chip & pin puppies(done@ 6 weeks) I cross reference the chips with the tattoos & give the breeder a record of the chip & tattoo number for each puppy I prefer the tattoo, but belt & braces is the best option !

A lot of hassle for very little benefit as the pups are already permanently and visibly identified

>I used to put them straight into their new owners name but these days I put them into my name, I want to be contacted if Petlog or a vets etc can't get hold of their owners.

if i was to chip my own puppies I would register tham in the new owners name, but cross reference them not only with the tattoo number, but also my name & telephone number in the notes box

>A lot of hassle for very little benefit as the pups are already permanently and visibly identified

Not really Barbara as I always supply paperwork with the tattoo number on so that the breeder can add the KC reg number for the new owners so if the do the transfer of ownership & have a query they have the KC number available & also the NDTR's number as well in case they need to contact them. Only takes a couple of seconds to chip them & means the puppies don't have to chipped at the vets when they are vax'd

Maybe next time I will get them all done then.  My tattooist uses a much finer needle than my vets for chipping and my pup didn't notice a thing, unlike her Mum who bled and certainly did when she was done when vaccinated.

>Yes, we do microchipping where I work so I know how the system works.  All the sticky barcodes in the world won't help when you have 6 identical puppies running around which have been previously chipped and no collars (very common that they'd get chewed off by siblings). Without a scanner how does the breeder know she's giving the right paperwork with each puppy?

Sticks hand up in air and confessess guilt lol.... last litter.. 7 black pups... 5 of them boys... chipped at 6 weeks.. and ouch... time to go to new homes.... no scanner...

It never crossed my mind at the time.. since I have never chipped a full litter before.. only chipped the pups I kept .. at a later date...

Only reason this litter was chipped is that majority of puppy owners asked

We named them at vets.. marked them accordingly... but two weeks later, there were a couple who I simply could not identify... so.. I kept all pups registered in my name with petlog...

I plan to chip this litter due, but need to work our a completely failsafe way of identification...

I'll e mail you a copy of the form I give my breeders Barbara so you can X ref the puppies & give it or a copy to the new owners

Thanks

LOLOLOLOL tut tut

I tattooed & chipped a litter of scrummy Rhodesian Ridgebacks(the first litter I chipped after doing my course) & I made up a form on the PC & put a space for the puppies name & added the chip & tattoo number & added a space for the KC number. The lovely guy who bred the litter was surprised I bothered, but it was so easy to use the tattoo to id the puppy for the new owners

Yep with them tattooed too it is easy, but just chipped if same colour and sex and the breeder has no scanner coudl lead to mix ups.

One reason I do both !!

Hi All,

I had my first litter Tattooed and when I enquired about chipping them as well was advised not to as the pups were too small.  I see the rules or advice is different on here so next litter I have will have both Tattoo and chips, be registered with me to start with (just in case they ever need my help in the future) and then the new owners can have the details changed when they take them home, this way two types of protection for the puppies.

Great Topic by the way.

Becki

My breed are differently marked, so no problems with identification However I do have a friend that breeds Gordons and she identified her pups by using nail varnish on different parts of the pup (eg, outside toe left front: inside toe back right) Although she knew which puppy was which (no idea how, they all looked the same to me ) this was a failsafe back-up.

A little of topic but...

In the case of breeds which may, at sometime in the furture, need an MRI scan of head and cervical spine  -and certainly all Cavalier King Charles Spaniels for the forseeable future....
It may be worth asking your microchip operative to site the chip away from the site of the head (occiput) and neck area as this can interfere with the scan and could make diagnosis inconclusive.
Please remind your vet of this if you ever get into a 'chipping' conversation..

I microchipped and tattooed all my puppies...not breeding any more

I registered the chips with their new owners details and registered the tattoos in my name to cover all bases if the worst happened.

> I plan to chip this litter due, but need to work our a completely failsafe way of identification...

I use TabBands and have never had one removed.  Some of my pups are very, very tiny when they leave home, and I won't have such tots chipped.  Even my vet, who tries to make a vet visit as stress free as possible, doesn't like to do chipping at the same time as jabs, he always says leave it a while.  I think he prefers them not to have a painful experience when they are so tiny, in case they end up scared of a vet visit.

I take my pups to the vets for microchipping and first injection. I take my paperwork (KC reg etc) and pups all have easily identifiable collars on. Although most are different colours and I do know who is who. We take girls first, they are microchipped and barcodes are put on KC registration and the Petlog for each pup AND on the vaccination card. My husband and I go, along with a couple of children (teens) so we have a conveyor belt sort of system going on. My vet obviously scans each pup before he chips just in case we have done one twice by mistake. Its mayhem believe me, but i stay in with the vet to double check all paper work and my husband and children bring the pups in and out.

We have done this on a few occasions, Im sure my vet hates me (especially last year when I wanted 3 Pet passports too LOL) but it works very well.

I fill in the microchip paper work of the new owners of the pups and I send the vet his copy when all the pups have gone.

That's isn't quite the way it is supposed to be done, does your vet put their implanter code on the Petlog forms ? I cannot believe that someone would chip puppies & give all the copies to the owners & not register that chips with Petlog-totally incorrect. I register all my chips online & only leave the owners copy with the breeder-if the breeder knows the details of the new owners I register them as the new owners & add the breders contact details in the notes box

I surprised at that too.. my vet chipped my last litter.. he did all the paperwork and registered them.. a few days later, Petlog sent me all my paperwork, as the registered owner..

Yes, my vet puts his inplanter code on each of the pet logs paper work. You made me think actually what I did cos yes, when I read your reply MoonMaiden it didnt make sense, the fact that I would send a copy to the vet. The pups were all microchipped, all the bar codes went on necessary paperwork. Each was put in seperate file for each individual pup, when new owners came to pick pup up, I filled in paperwork, kept one copy myself, sent one copy to Petlog and new owner had a copy. Sorry about that, must have been having a brain fart when I wrote that nonsense!!

I am a registered implanter i done the training with Pet Detect, i chip all our puppies at 6 weeks old & write the registered name on the back of each set of barcode stickers plus its markings, i scan the 'prison number'LOL on the day the new owner collects the pup just to make sure its still where it should be & to show the new owner where the chip is. I register the chip online to the new owner on the day they leave, so i never use the petlog forms. I keep a records of each pups details & number in a box upstairs. I add my own details as the breeder into the notes box on the petlog online form, that way petlog have someone to contact if they cannot contact the new owner if they should need to.

> so i never use the petlog forms

Well you should give the new owners a copy as proof until the Pet Log certificate comes through. I'm sure you were told that the tri self carbonated forms had to be used at your training day

> , i scan the 'prison number'LOL on the day the new owner collects the pup just to make sure its still where it should be

This would mean the breeder needing a scanner.