Hi ya im looking for information on buying a sussex bulldog in ireland, ive previously owned a dog that was part american part sussex bulldog and love the look and temperment of the breed.  any information would be greatly appreciated

ahhhh that would be like the ones my neighbouring farm breed then except they are "devon" bulldogs...and only £800 each. Oh by the way they are collie x bulldogs

whats a sussex bulldog????????????? is it a cross???

Yep

It's similar to the IRISH BLUE...which are in fact pit bulls and pit bull crosses! it's a 'designer dog'!!!

To be honest why don't you just buy a decent Bulldog and get your moneys worth? I can't see the point of buying(and spending a great deal of money) on a mongrel? try to find out all you can about Bulldogs and go on a reputable breeders waiting list?

maybe because of the health status of many kc reg bulldogs.the sussex/olde tyme/romany etc may not be kc reg but seem very capable dogs, certainly more robust than the average kc bulldog i see.

> maybe because of the health status of many kc reg bulldogs

health status? such as passing health tests? plenty of kc bulldogs do that...

lol i've never met a bulldog that has been anything other than 'robust'. granted there are poorly bred specimins with breathing issues but breeders are trying to rectify this problem.

i am not sure i agree, to me a bulldog should be able to function as it once did, ie if need to it should be able to pin a bull, i do not see this with the modern kc dog,the owner of the sussex bulldogs and what have you are not stopping anyone having a bulldog they offer an alternative which for many is a more practical dog, i believe for instance they can take more exercise than the kc dogs which to some is a bonus, also i am lead to believe they have far higher percentages of non c section births etc. the person has asked for a sussex bulldog i can see no reason why they should be told the breed is no good when compared to another.

> to me a bulldog should be able to function as it once did, ie if need to it should be able to pin a bull

well none to sure how you test that...

many bulldogs today are completely devoid of the problems that are associated with their breed, someone on the forum once mentioned a bulldog they knew that did marathon training with his owner. obviously many do still have problems but good breeders are working to fix that.

there are many reasons to reccommend a kc registered, health tested dog to a cross. many of these crosses don't follow any real breeding plan to produce a new breed- if they did i'd rather approve of the idea. for an idea of what i'm talking about search for silken windhounds- they are apparently a new breed developed for a purpose and carefully bred true to type.

> ie if need to it should be able to pin a bull

Why?  I can see the need to breed a fit and healthy pet that will give people years of pleasure but I don't understand any need for the physical or mental ability to do that in this day and age.

>  ie if need to it should be able to pin a bull

LOL

From what I've read they never were able to 'pin' a bull   they hung off it's nose until it either tired through loss of blood or suffocated.  Even the most capable bulldog would be hard pressed to 'pin' any but the smallest calf
I do wonder why the world needs a dog like this now?  What is wrong with the Neapolitan Mastiff, Bullmastiff or Dogue de Bordeaux?

well all the bulldogs i see when visiting champ shows do not look capable of doing any form of serious exercise,i am not knocking anyone wanting to own one but why do people kick up a fuss when someone asks for a non kc breed or cross,the american bulldog,sussex bulldog,dorset bulldog etc i am sure can make as good pets and for my money are structurally stronger than their kc cousin.

> lol i've never met a bulldog that has been anything other than 'robust'

I am unable to agree with you Astarte, English Bulldogs are at the extremes of what humans can do to pedigree dogs.
The last time I judged variety classes I was confronted with 2 bulldogs and not having been 'hands on' with them for some time I was dismayed at how disabled they were. Their fronts were so wide and heads so extreme I could have cried for them. No....not poor examples but multi-winning dogs I was told later. These dogs could at best trot and just about breathe on a cool day so no amount of health testing could have convinced me that these dogs are having the life a dog deserves.
Unfortunately in many breeds a 'moderate' dog won't win.

> What is wrong with the Neapolitan Mastiff, Bullmastiff or Dogue de Bordeaux?

true, its not really an un-catered for taste.

tooolz i'm not denying there are dogs that are very poor due to improper breeding practises, but there are also those that are fit and well. i just object to people writing off an entire breed

well all the bulldogs i see when visiting champ shows do not look capable of doing any form of serious exercise

I agree there are some poor examples of the breed, as there are in ALL breeds. I have never seen a breed yet where there are not some bad examples. But you can't write the breed of because of those few. And as for not seeing a bulldog capable of doing strenuous exercise, I must invite you to my house to meet my bulldog who runs a good few miles every day and keeps up with the mastiffs. He has no health problems and is like a bullet the speed he moves!! He truly believes he is a mastiff and doesn't see why he shouldn't be able to keep up with them.

The people writing on this forum about KC registered Bulldogs have no idea at all what they are talking about. The Bulldog has never been healthier and those of us that breed the Bulldog do our utmost to breed fit and healthy Bulldogs. The BBC is their wisdom decided to slaughter the Bulldog, yet the Caviliers with brain damage got off the slaughtering almost scott free. By mixing Bulldogs with all insundry of other breeds is a major disaster waiting to happen. Temperaments and health will be lost and truly ignorant families will be purchasing time bombs. The American Bulldog is a prime example of completely the wrong mix - you might as wll go and buy a fighting pit bull. This is the most irresponsible manner of breeding. I am shocked and disgussted in reading as I have done today. Buy a good Bulldog from a reputable KC Accredited breeder and you will never look back or buy a mixed bulldog and hold your breath - the choice is yours.

twopence you've ressurected an ancient thread... and many of the posters on the forum agree that the bulldog is not entirely the poorly specimine its so often seen as (if you read my posts for example i was defending them). I'm sure you'll agree that many breeders have bred over done features that have been detrimental but similarly many breeders have done their utmost to preserve the breeds looks and health.

> twopence you've ressurected an ancient thread

Hardly!!!! It is still relevant and still on topic. (and only about 4 months old)

It seems to be something of a phrase 'du jour' at the moment with some posters???
We should be mindful that many new posters find their way here by means of search engines (not everyone uses 'active topics') and I suspect this forum being a Business.... the owners have spent some time and thought on achieving this catchment through afore mentioned search engines!

I can only see this type of comment being of use in instances such as a post having a OP date of years ago asking about litters currently available, then, a reminder to a poster knowing of a litter might be pertinent to say 'N.B. this person was asking 4 years ago!!'

Simpulz.......

> yet the Caviliers with brain damage got off the slaughtering almost scott free.

Hardly!
I am sure there are less exaggerated Bulldogs bred and hopefully now the KC have made multiple amendments to the standard and instructed judges accordingly we will see more of these winning in the show ring and making up the breeding stock.

well perhaps ancient is a touch of hyperboly (sp?) but an old one at any rate.

it was not supposed to be a critisism just advice that it wasn't current. i.e. perhaps a new thread might get a better reply rate. sorry if it read otherwise.

> perhaps a new thread might get a better reply rate. sorry if it read otherwise.

When the poster was addressing specific people on a specific thread??

Anyyyyhooo....

The point is:

Tis' a double edged sword you hand this person then. The flip side of the Pedants coin is that (taking your example)
The poster may well then be told to use the search facility as 'there have been plenty of threads on this topic' Because those members who have been around for years know a 'hot potato'

Additionally: Don't forget it may not be classed as 'current' to someone with the luxury of being able to read and post on the forum everyday.... but many of members (see those with only 1 or 2 stars but a joining date of 2001!!) do not have the luxury of popping in daily and a read of this forum is much less frequent but the ability to contribute as they please no less valid!!

ok, fine a fair point, i am sorry that i did not think more fully before replying to the post. i was not critising the poster, just commenting.

> The people writing on this forum about KC registered Bulldogs have no idea at all what they are talking about.<

To quote a much respected lecturer of mine, from years ago - where is your evidence?   You cannot come on here and make such a sweeping statement and expect all to bow down to your expertise!

Of course it is best to buy ANY puppy from a KC accredited breeder - or a breeder who is well-respected and recommended by his/her peers - and, in this particular breed - from a line that is naturally whelped.

I would imagine that you have "googled" bulldogs, found this thread, and made your declaration (this has only been your third post).  Please, read more carefully and you will find that we are singing from the same hymn sheet.