I saw what I presume is an orange Braco at Bournemouth yesterday - a lovely looking dog

Fiona
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GWP's are liver too.

Helen

LOL Leigh, GSP's chocolate [$ white, sounds like a walnut whip. Ja])kie

Most my GSP's behave like walnut whips :rolleyes:

LOL Leigh, I'm sure they have walnuts as brains, how else could they be that nutty, Ingrid

Well Reefa's *walnut* must be pickled then ... cos the lights are on, but 90% of the time ..no one is home :rolleyes: He has decide that in the absence of game, he will point frogs now!

Ha Ha, he can come and join Monty, who at the moment is pointing at the shed a lot of the time, with all the rain we have a healthy frog population there too, either that or chasing and pointing flies round the house. Ingrid

Leigh
Don't forget that Braccos can also have a dash of Pink :p :D

LOL@Ali

Of course, you are correct Ali ... I will get onto the KC immediately and get them to add *strawberry mivvy patch* to the recognised standard colours :D

:cough: Bracco = 1 ~ Bracchi = more than 1 :P

@ Leigh
:rolleyes: @ me
:D

PS
Does that mean if I do eventually get me another Boxer, I won't have 2 boxers
but 2 Boxhi :p
from
Articulate Ali ( Honestly I did get a B in English :D )

<Can see they would want to draw the line at say Green or Pink but any colour is any colour>

I have no wish to get into an argument with you Jackie but as I know you are aware, the Cocker is a well established breed with a long history going back many, many years. In the past, all breeders knew the traditional name for each colour & when the standard was drawn up I'm sure the breeders of yesteryears could not have imagined that some modern breeders would not be capable of using these traditional colours but would dream up their own Cockers come in the same colours now as they did all those years ago (with the exception of sable which appears in the US/Europe & but was not one of the traditional colours) The reason why Cocker breeders do not like other breeders using fanciful names for colours is that it shows a lack of knowledge of the history/traditions of the breed & is sometimes used to make naive buyers think they are getting something special/rare when they are not.

Jane

Toodles - 'liver' never was reddish, but more cooked liver colour (if you like that sort of thing!) Hence the term used for all British brown gundogs. (Why did I say 'Hence?)
But the colour was called something different in Labs when they became a fashion accessory, I guess - can't think of another reason.

German brown dogs are just called 'brown'. as far as I know - the long-coated pointers especially (the ones that look rather like flatcoats)

BUT a goldie which is any colour other than golden (or, I suppose, regrettably, white) can never throw any other colour as far as I know unless there is some sort of somatic mutation. So they'll never have black or liver pups to be confused with flatcoats. However, flatcoats can throw the occasional yellow pup which may get confused with a golden.

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats

Jane not getting into a deep disscusion re. Cockers, my post was meant to be light hearted. Was interested in some of the names breeders dream up to put on their pups registration. :D Ja;)kie

Jackie, I used to have a really deep red, almost mahogany retriever in my mispent youth, he drew a lot of comments even in those days, can't remember his breeding but I can send you a picture if you like, he suffered epilepsy and still lived to 12. Ingrid

Thanks Ingrid, that would be nice. Ja:)kie

Sent it Jackie, should be with you shortly Ingrid

Thanks he is beautiful, wonder why the colour is not allowed. Jackie

Personally I think it's a stunning colour, are there any around like him now? Ingrid

Ingrid - presuming we're talking golden retrievers the breed standard states :

Colour. Any shade of gold or cream, neither red nor mahogany. A few white hairs on chest only, permissible.

So it sounds like he would not be a recognised colour now although very beautiful I'm sure. My lad (working lines) is dark ginger nut gold and my bitch (show lines) although dark against so many others looks really quite pale next to him.

Could I ask for a picture to be sent too please

Sara

I've seen pictures of your 2 Sarah, they are lovely, nice colours, have sent you the pic of my boy, it was taken a long time ago sadly, I'd quite like another that colour. Ingrid

Yes I know you were but you did just slip in that comment about Cocker breeders so I replied to it

Colours in this quarter's BRS for Cockers include yellow, cream, honey, honey & white, fawn & white, beige & white & strawberry roan, just to name a few - it always makes for entertaining reading anyway!

Jane

Makes you hungry Jane, only quoted the Cocker post because it was that that got me thinking and looking at the standards of a number of dogs and it is suprising how many have very lose colour requirements. Thanks for your contribution, think I'll go and get some lunch. Now shall I have strawberries and cream or honey? Ja;)kie

>> & strawberry roan

Ooooooo Ali did you see that!

If the KC accept strawberry roan .. then they can't say no to *strawberry mivvy* :rolleyes:

Jane, do you think they stick another hundred quid on the price for *rare* colours!

we have "liver" bloodhounds and "red" blood hounds & just occasionally a "liver nosed red" is thrown up! The liver is more orange in colour & the red is the colour of a yellow lab!

Bumped into a beautiful 6 month male hound the other week over the field Sam. The woman had bought him purely as a pet and didn't seem at all interested in what her dog was up to. At the time, he was *tracking* my GSP who was quartering. When I pointed it out to her, she said "Oh is he?" and promptly changed the subject. Sad for the dog I thought

HUNTING.......not tracking........GSD's track, bloodhounds HUNT!!!!!!!
Sorry Leigh, its just one of those things that niggle me!!!! :D
Where abouts are you Leigh, and what colour was the hound? Just curious, as it may be a litter brother to my youngster
Sam

LOL ... Oppps sorry :D If my dog puts his nose on the ground, he is *tracking* and the only time he gets away with it, is if he is *tracking* wounded game. I will remember for future reference

I am in Welling (Kent) and don't shout at me, but I don't know the correct colour term, I would call him red/orange/russet? I think the woman said his name was Hector. She did say that the rest of the litter had gone to working or show homes. Very nice puppy

A sort of yellow lab colour with black nose, or liver dobe colour with liver nose?

Leigh

I don't know if they actually increase the price for these flavouresome colours - makes me hungry:D - but they certainly use it as a selling inducement to make unsuspecting buyers think they are getting something very desirable rather than the opposite.

Pam n the very dark blue roan and very fruity orange roan boys:D

Pam, I'd never discribe you as a fruity orange roan, from a slightly grey, very slightly, blond. Ja:dkie

lol Jackie - I'm not Orange - my other boy is:D, - from another definitely fruity;) slightly blond who has been strawberry - orange - aubergine - even lime(although unintentional) in the past - just as long as I stay away from Chocolate - oh no there we go again - I'm gonna have to go to the office shop and buy some:( - see I could never have a "brown" dog unless it was "liver" I couldn't resist the temptation to eat him:D

Pam n co

I'm surprised we haven't had a "strawberry mivvy" Cocker yet - don't put ideas in people's heads :D

Yep, some "breeders" do pump the price up for these "rare" colours - I had an orange roan puppy bitch in for grooming once & said "oh that's a pretty orange", only to be told by the owner "no, she's a strawberry roan, there aren't many in the country you know" & yes, she had paid quite a bit over the normal price, can't remember how much as it was a few years ago now & the memory's not what it was

Jane

'liver' never was reddish, but more cooked liver colour
Hmmmm, when I cooked chicken livers, the pieces ended up looking different from one another with three colors-- red, grey, and brown. Haven't fixed them in decades, I think :rolleyes: Can't stand the smell, nor the taste.
So I really don't know what the proper color is supposed to be -- similar to my ignorance of the "color" - Puce :D :d

The very worst thing that ever happened to my youngest (now thankfully grown and married) when he changed schools aged 11, was that they had liver and mushy peas for dinner - came home in floods of tears!!

Should have asked him what colour the mixture was!

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats.

Sounds a bit like the standards that say any reconised hound colours - well if you could see the colour of my hounds when they come back from the field on a wet morning..............JH

Sara, PUCE - my dictionary says "colour varying from deep red to dark purplish-brown" so I quess we are back to 'liver' again. Ja:)kie

I'm not going to get involved with the colours, I know you lot are only trying to wind this poor old man up! But I seem to remember, some ten years or more ago, that the KC were going to refuse to accept for registeration puppies applications which had "Unapproved" colours listed. Does anyone know when and why they relaxed this rule?

Regards, John

OK for Labs John, but a lot of breeds don't have the luxury of set colours, so I quess it was dropped as too difficult. Or did you mean Labs? From one senior citizen to another, do you know I think I'd rather be called old, well I often am. Here I go rambling again - nurse!

LOL Jackie,
I used to think that Puce was a lime-green sort of color or at least a sickly brown, just due to the unappealing sound of it :D :D :D
Aubergine, anyone?????? :D :D :D
:cool:

My husband says he hates the colour Puce, but he has no idea what colour it is and what he hates is the word, taken from the French I think 'something to do with fleas'. Think my husband may have a point. Ja;)kie

We have a wideish range of colours in my breed, but people still come up with imaginative names for the colours - often get phone calls for spaniels in "blonde" once for "Milky coffee colour" and a couple wanting 'spotty' ones! We have a little of the same problem that the cockers suffer from - people dream up a fanciful name and market the pups as 'rare and desirable' with a mark up to prove it! In fairness to the small band who are breeding Sables, this is, whilst not rare, an unusual colour, and only a few dogs carry it (Not allowable in the USA though). Best one was the 'extremely rare, very expensive Pure White" - an undermarked parti!
Gwen

Fancy a spotted one, is it like a mini Dalmation, with socks on. Ja:)kie

Well, in my imagination I see it as a sort of mini dalamtion with a furry snow-suit on!
Gwen