Hello folks

Can someone point me in the direction of reputable Tervuran breeders in the UK?

Many thanks

as i dont have a reply, does this mean that CDers' dont really feel their are a good standard of Terv breeders in the UK?

i have heard this argument before, that you are better going for Euro breeders

Or perhaps there aren't any tervueren specialists on here?

There are but I think a little time might be needed for a reply as they are rather active dogs and their owners are probably out exercising them, also people are wary of giving opinions on fellow breeders other than knowing they aren't puppy farmers as things have a way of getting back to folk twisted, leading to upset LOL.

I would advise contacting the breed clubs for details of members that are breeders.

A friend of mine has a young Terv, who is gorgeous & with a really lovely temperament so there must be some good breeders in the UK. Teri who is on here has a dog from the same breeders(was BOB at Darlington) so why not PM Teri ?

sorry, i wasnt having a go.

i hadn't discounted the fact there just might not be anyone on here that has the info, or that it's not such a common breed, so you cannot come up with good breeder recommendations as quickly as you would, say, for GSD's

but ive heard the argument several times before that UK Tervs are inferior to Euro ones, so wondered if the abscence of you great breeder experts to come up with a good terv breeder quickly was giving more credence to this notion?

thanks moon, will do

>wondered if the abscence of you great breeder experts to come up with a good terv breeder quickly was giving more credence to this notion?

To be fair, very few people know enough about many breeds other than their own to be able to recommend a breeder with any certainty. The usual advice is to contact the relevant breed club/s and ask for recomendations. Very few people would be able to recommend a good breeder of GSDs or labradors or miniature poodles either! It doesn't mean that there aren't excellent ones around - just that they don't know who they are despite the breeds being popular.

fair point jean

i kind of thought, as you guys are professional breeders, you would have a sort of wide net radar.

which, probably, is a bit ill-conceived of me

but i was being complimentary!

We're not 'professional breeders' as such - just ordinary people who have a strong interest in dogs, and are more likely to specialise in individual breeds.

It's a bit like, on a motoring forum, asking someone who drives a mini to recommend an Audi salesman. They're all interested in cars, but not necessarily have depth of knowledge of all makes!

very true

honestly though, i was being very complimentary to you all

i have pm'd teri

Hi krusewalker,

I replied to your PM   Have just come across this thread as it's not one of my elected boards to view normally.

> ive heard the argument several times before that UK Tervs are inferior to Euro ones

What a strange argument - certainly new to me   Many UK lines carry those of continental europe, this was the case long before the PP came into force and has continued at more or less the same level.  UK bred dogs enjoy success on the continent and indeed several UK bred stud dogs have been used by high profile continental kennels with much success

Both breed clubs in the UK regularly invite continental specialists to judge the club ch shows and critiques of home bred stock are generally extremely favourable.  It seems odd that anyone with any depth of experience in the breed would think UK dogs to be inferior.  As in any breed some breeders do tend to go for a type that's currently in 'fashion' rather than what is 'correct'.  Thankfully many of us don't believe in going down this route and it has stood us in fair stead, at home and abroad

regards, Teri

Hi Teri

Ar you just talking show Tervs?
As we are looking for a working line for working trials, agility, and caniX

As most of the belgians we have seen over here have been show dogs who have been fidgety, nervy, reactive, skittish, bordeline aggressive, barrier frustration, snappy, etc.
Kind of having the working energy, but the energy is unconstructed, reactive, border collie style spasmodic.
ie, lack of focus or a calm working mind

My rescue had a few Belgian Shepherd breed rescue dogs come thru.

Whereas our current danish bred 6 yr old Terv is calm, focussed, good pet dog, but when you train and work here all the working intensity suddenly floods thru.

The BOB at Crufts a couple or so years back has an Ob Champion sister I believe

Krusewalker,

Teri is away at the Mo (and then is off to Detroit for a BSD specialty show ... Lucky thing!!) So just be aware it may be a while before she's back and able to reply.
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> As most of the belgians we have seen over here have been show dogs who have been fidgety, nervy, reactive, skittish, bordeline aggressive, barrier frustration, snappy, etc.

Wow! I must send you a lovely piccy I've got of me with a gorgeous chilled out Terv sprawled all over me assisting me in watching ringside at Crufts, I spent the whole morning with Teri's gang ringside and met Tervs of which I'd sell my Granny for Happily And as a dyed in the Wool 'Husky- the friend to all' owner I can safely say all of the traits you've listed above would certainly not have me selling my Granny So yes it does sound like you need a point in the right direction as they *are* out there!

Just out of interest... when you say 'most' how many dogs exactly are we talking here?

thanx for update on teri........sounds like a good trip.

thats a shame, as we were hoping for her input, to help make a decision next for days, but we have some other lines of inquires we can follow.

i'm still wondering if yourself and teri are mainly talking about show lines?

its about 10 tervs i've met

thanks for the good advice

actually, im into malinois as well, but im not that crazy!
so i have the good fortune of one i can borrow for anything i like!
especially caniX!
and he is twice the height of the standard size!

All tervs in thsi country are show stock, teh workign oens are thsoe whose owners decide to work in addion or instead of showwing.

As far as I know there are no true working Terv lines as sheep are worked in UK primarily by Border Collies, the way sheep are worked on the continent is somewhat different.

it wasnt a sheepdog line we were looking for.

we meant working, as in working trials,agility,caniX.
so breed-lines with that history

so we've heard that isn't british, but that british breed-lines are show history?
so i guess you are confirming this?

Sorry got distracted and ran out of editing time.

All tervs in this country are show stock, the working ones are those whose owners decide to work in addition or instead of showing.

As far as I know there are no true working Terv lines as sheep are worked in UK primarily by Border Collies, the way sheep are worked on the continent is somewhat different.

> As most of the belgians we have seen over here have been show dogs who have been fidgety, nervy, reactive, skittish, bordeline aggressive, barrier frustration, snappy, etc.

I regularly meet a lady around town (usually in the M&S food hall) who has a Terv guide dog.  Beautiful looking dog and absolutely 100% rock steady, as you'd expect from an guide dog.   Cetainly no evidence of any of the traits you mention.

> so we've heard that isn't British, but that British breed-lines are show history?
> so i guess you are confirming this?

The show and working as in Agility Obedience etc lines are one and the same, there isn't enough of the breed for there to be specific lines for the various canine activities puppies are chosen from show litters based on their promise and apparent aptitude for a particular activity.

Of course people seeking a dog for work will be drawn to the breeder or relatives of dogs that have been successful in working areas, but this does not mean that those dogs lines will be any better than any other breeders lines, as most will be related anyway somewhere along the line.  There is insufficient demand for dogs for these activities that would justify or need separate lines to produce them.

My own breed is a working (hunting) one and even after generations of breeding with no opportunity to prove working ability this is still inherent and dogs have gone to Norway and been successfully worked with no working relatives for 3 or more generations, if an individual has it they have it, and equally there will be some pups in litters from working parents that don't.

Of course dogs selected with proven  working ability may produce more pups with similar traits, but the kind of work you describe is not innate working ability as in having a good nose or herding instinct it is basic bidability and eagerness to please.

Also judging a breed by those coming through rescue will not give you a balanced picture of the breed.

Krusewalker,there's plenty of Tervuerens out there with the sort of temperament you are looking for,I see some really nice ones at agility shows with stable temperaments and lots of work ethic.
My own male Tervueren(from show lines) has an extremely laid back and placid,steady temperament,he's the easiest dog to live with I'd had(by far)-you hardly know you have him-I have to say though he's just too horizontal to be bothered to work!

thank you brainless and helen, thats all really useful

helen, does your Belgian do any tracking, agility, or working trials?
and who was your breeder?

Brainless is right, the ONLY BSD in the UK that is split into show and working dogs is the Malinois. Maybe you're thinking of the Minka Tervuerens that are primarily bred for working reasons?  In addition to what Teri said, I just wanted to mention that several UK Terv breeders regularly show abroad and do very well indeed at large continental shows including the specialty ones such as at the recent huge French Specialty which had quite a few UK bred dogs at it, all graded Excellent.

Maybe you should contact the Working Belgian Shepherd Society and join them? You get a newsletter and it will list all types of working results, photos, articles etc so will give you  bit of an idea of what breeders' dogs are doing what. For agility I dare say it's the Malis way out front though! http://www.wbsds.org.uk/

wow, brilliant!

i hadnt found them on google

thanx

i run a malinois in caniX

woops - just found this - I can only reiterate what others have said - Tervuerens are typical of all the BSD varieties in that they can 'do it all' - from my last litter of 8 Groenendaels - 4 went to show homes - the others went to competitive obedience/agility/working trials homes - we are fortunate to have a breed with no working/show split - apart from the Malinois whihc does have some VERY extreme working lines which are in my opinion not typical of the true BSD temperament.

- - I have a successful show bitch  who is also a registered Therapy dog - hardly fitting your description of the breeds temperament !

yvonne