Anybody have any recomendations where i can get a good adjustable, wide, (non leather) collar for 10 month old male DDB, please.
Seen lots on the internet but not sure which one's will stand the test of time.
Many thanks

Anything I can't get elsewhere I always buy at Crufts. The one place you can find everything.

Our male Bullmastiff had a nice collar from Pets At Home its blue with little silver bones round the outside one of the bitches had a matching pink one. These lasted our dogs ages but ours don't pull on the lead if your DDB pulls I cant imagine it lasting very long.

All of the dogs are now wearing chain collars they are not check chains as they don't meet in the middle, but 3 lines of thin chain welded at points, they are really strong for the larger breed and wont choke the dogs, and whats more they don't pick up dirt, after 6 months ours are still looking new. The only prob is the chains is you cant change the size.

these any good http://www.petsbitsonline.co.uk/
my gsd has  had one for acouple of years now they wash well are tough and depending on the style can adjust. I only need a new one because I want a change and excuse to buy him one.

thanks for everyone's input.
but still not what i'm looking for.
anybody else, please?

I have never had any problems with cheap half check/martingale collars bought from ebay.  these are fully adjustable and the only potential issue is that they sometimes rust if used on the beach but that is the case with most collars with metal on them.

http://www.snowpawstore.com/dog-walking/dog-collar-and-dog-lead/dog-collar/collar-racing.html
Ive found these to be quite good. I use them when running the dogs. Theres no buckle so no real stress point and last ages. Have a look at the others on the site too.

My dogues have only been able to wear chains, collars break or rub on the dewlap. Safer too,  I can imagine he may pull a little. I'm considering getting a prong collar, and a gentle leader combined.

> I'm considering getting a prong collar, and a gentle leader combined

I'd stick with the gentle leader/halti and a half check or harness as backup. Prong collars are horrible devices I tried one on my wrist and was left with tiny red pin pricks after just a couple of small tugs at it.

>I'm considering getting a prong collar,

Bear in mind that prong collars are among the items condemned in the Dog Welfare Campaign Group; their use is opposed by the RCVS, BVA and BSAVA (for the veterinary aspect) as well as many dog charities internationally.

> Anybody have any recomendations where i can get a good adjustable, wide, (non leather) collar for 10 month old male DDB, please.  Seen lots on the internet but not sure which one's will stand the test of time.

>thanks for everyone's input but still not what i'm looking for

In that case perhaps you could send a link to the type of thing you are after?  Then someone might be able to tell you if they have any experience of either the collar or the company you wish to buy from

I'm considering getting a prong collar

With so many headcollars/harnesses etc on the market, I cannot possibly see any justification in resorting to such a collar. If I had to, I am afraid I would consider myself a total failure in training my dog. Although I now have an "easy" breed, I used to walk 3 entire male GSD's through a busy town, on public transport, etc and I weighed less than 8 stone. The lead was held in one hand and all three dogs walked beautifully to heel and had an instant down on command, should I need emergency brakes.

thanks again for input. i never thought of looking on ebay, duh
not in a million years would i use a prong collar, sorry louise.
Diesel doesn't pull on lead, we've worked very hard over the last 8 months, ie me standing like a tree/plonker everytime he did pull.
seen a lovely staffie on a recent walk, friendly, polite but pulled like a train. she was nearly bald on her neck/throat constantly due wearing a prong collar
needless to say i gave the owner a piece of my mind

If you do decide to go for a nylon collar, have you tried looking at the Rogz range? The bigger sizes have a lock on the buckle-clip so they cant just pop open and the main part of the collar passes through the 'D' ring so the strain isnt placed on the buckle itself.
Ive got one for my staffie X and its lasted very well, over 3 years and he wears his all the time 24/7. Ive only ever used these on him for the past 6 years and Ive never had a problem with them.
The sizes that might suit a DDB would be the 'Armed Response' range and the 'Everest' (a nylon choke style collar). You can see what they are here... http://www.doggiesolutions.co.uk/designer-dog-lead-collars-harnesses-8679-0.html might be worth a look

I always use those for my Bullies and stronger dogs:

http://www.bulldogshop.de/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/dcc8923e715e7a141175abefaa069d4c.jpg

They are 2 inches wide. VERY sturdy and washable.

Diesel doesn't pull on lead, we've worked very hard over the last 8 months

Well done on putting in your groundwork. A trainer once said to me that training is like laying building foundations, lay good strong deep foundations and you can build anything on top. Skip the foundation work, and things soon come crumbling down. I think it's a great way of sumarising the importance of early consistent training.

Good luck in your search for a collar.

well our DDb grew so quickly that we just got the nylon collars from pets at home. Now that he is full grown, we got him a leather on off ebay, Blocky dogs one and one from Karma Charms (very nice). I wouldn't get anything too pricey as it will be too small when they are full grown

You have goldies and i walk 3 dogues at the same time a combined weight of over 170kgs which will get more as my youngest grows. My dogs walk well, although my male pulls abit, he has chain and dogmatic (which is rubbish, tried halti's before and they are no good either). Several friends in my breed have their dogues walked in them, when they walk 5 at a time and as i have never tried one it was a thought to maybe purchase one for a trial run. Im not an idiot that will allow my dog to come to serious injury when using one (which is why i believe they are wanting to ban them) if it doesnt work in the way it was designed i.e overly hurts him then i shant use it. I havent even decided if i will yet it was just a recommendation from other breeders and owners. Ill try a gentle leader before as they look more substantial and its control of the head i want more anyway. Just a belt and braces kind of thing. If he was to get into a fight a pinch to the neck wouldnt deter this breed either. I thought a slight pinch when he pulls would be negatively reinforcing him which is the plan with them.

It was just a thought as i would like more control if some irresponsible dog owner was to allow there aggressive dog off near mine. Girls would be manageable  but my boy wouldn't back down from a threat in which i would like greater control (more than the dogmatic gives me now, i can see it snapping its so flimsy) with me being pregnant and bad thoughts drifting through my mind as i struggle to get to sleep some nights.

And BTW no i do not consider myself to be a total failure in training my dogs as they are the most well behaved and socialised of any other dogs i know. I would just like to avoid any fighting at all costs.

> Im not an idiot that will allow my dog to come to serious injury when using one (which is why i believe they are wanting to ban them) if it doesnt work in the way it was designed i.e overly hurts him then i shant use it

What I'd be worried about is the mental impact - dog pulls to greet aother dog, feels pinch from prong collar - start of a negative association being built up and before long you have a big, burly dog that wants to take out the threat
With positive training, you end up with a dog that doesn't want to pull becuase it is rewarding to walk on a slack lead.

> I would just like to avoid any fighting at all costs.

I walk Buster on 2 leads - a lead to his halti & a lead to his collar, he also wears a harness for his long-line to go on, once we have reached the field. If one lead snaps I have another. If I still strugle to hold him, I can grab his harness. BUT these are all precautions only, he is a DREAM to walk on a lead, a lot of reward-based trainig means I can walk him along only holding his leads with my little finger - and he is heavier than me. There is no way I would use a tool that inflicted pain to try to stop him lunging at other dogs. If his training failed I would rely on physically restraining him, not punishing him with a prong-collar.
If you doubt your ability to comtrol more than 1 DDB at a time if an incident should occur- take them out seperately.

Sorry if I am controversial but walking three big dogs at a weight of 170kg together is asking for trouble. Needless to say I strongly oppose prong collars. There are plenty of alternatives on the market.