hello
After researching many dog breeds, we as a family have decided that a dogue de bordeaux is the breed for us.
This is not our first dog , but after having a collie, and two gsd's,(not at the same time though LOL) we felt we
wanted a change in breeds
We are ideally looking for a litter ready about end of november time.
We are planning to ring a few breeders in the next few weeks , that we have found on champdogs to ask about any future breeding plans and hopefully join a few waiting lists.
We are also joining the ddb breed club in the next month so we would be asking about any future litters avaliable through the clubs secretary.
Is there anything else we should do ?
thanks

There are two breed clubs now , I would be careful which one you join and ask for information. I would join the ddb of great britain , they were really helpful when we started out with our dogues. Their vice chairman Shaun Cairns was the breeder we chose and he was very welcoming , he is always there if you need advice and he really has years of experience , he was involved in re-writing the breed standard.
It also will depend on where you live and how far you want to travel , but if you contact them , you will be given honest and helpful advice. We were warned away by the club of a breeder who is listed here on champdogs who have now started their own breed club , I won't say too much but we definitely made the right decision.
Good luck with your future dogue , if you want any further information ( ie , who to avoid ) you could PM me .

Hi Kirstz10,
As a new comer to the breed I would urge you to make your own decisions about both clubs available for UK Dogue enthusiasts. I recommend that you contact both clubs with an open mind and decide for yourself. As with all breeds there is alot of rivalry in the Dogue world, and sadly it is often this that people focus on rather than the progression and well being of our breed in this country - which is already being demonstrated here by someone trying to warn you off particular clubs / breeders. You are definately approaching this sensibly, by talking with several breeders and doing your research before purchasing a puppy. Good luck with your future Dogue!

All the best,
DogueLover1

you dont really need to contact any club for information on buying a puppy, my adivce would more be about going to a good breeder that health test and are top winners at the champ shows. i would stay well clear of any breeders that slag off other breeders and dont allow you to make up your own mind, i woulsnt have been taken in by that at all, it just looks a bit desperate to sell a puppy to me. go round lots of breeders make up your own mind and remember the ones with the best patter are normally the ones that need to slag off others to get a sale especially if you have never had a douge before they think you are gulable, i wudnt stand for anyone telling me who i should steer clear of not before i had met them, because any credible person would want to find that out for them selves and not be so nieve to the goings on the the dog breeding world. never listen to breeders on breed clubs that should be acting a lot more profeshional than that.

thanks both of yous for your advice
Having been searching for a breeder , we have found that in this breed it is very competitive.
we was going to join a club to see if they knew of any upcoming litters.
we are in the process of ringing breeders, who we solely think are reputable.
Teejay, althought having never had a dogue before, after months of researching, thought and consideration
we as a potenial owners don't feel gullable, we as a family have discussed that our priority is finding a
new family member and correct health tests are the most important aspect in finding a ddb breeder
thanks again for all your input and suggestions.

>Is there anything else we should do ?

This is not my breed, so I have no vested interest, but it is certainly one that gets talked about in terms of 'buyer beware' so you're right to research, listen, ask questions and then look some more!

One thing you haven't mentioned is visiting any shows.  It's really helpful to see any chosen breed in large (ish) numbers to do some side by comparisons.  If you buy a catalogue you'll also be able to see who owns or has bred the type you like best.  I'd recommend just watching to start with, whilst keeping your ears flapping for ringside talk, then mentioning to a few people that you like the breed.  You may find that you learn a lot whilst not actually declaring your interest as potential buyers (thereby avoiding the hard sell )  Once you are comfortable with the person you're talking to then you might want to say more.

I'd suggest that investigating breed clubs for any breed you are considering is a very good idea.  It's often a really good place to look at health information and ethics.  Good luck

or theres nothing wrong with asking the clubs aswell but just be on your guard that if they only offer you their own litters and slag off other people like what appears to be the case with cani1 then i would stay well clear despite how convincing they sound. all breeds are competetive but you will find the true profeshionals will let you make up your own mind not try and influence you to staying away from other breeders. im horrified to hear that a vice chairman of a breed club would blatently slag off another breeder but he sold a puppy so im sure thats all he cares about.

Open mind indeed I see gremlins have been at it already. Best decisions are chosen knowing the facts not hearsay!

>im horrified to hear that a vice chairman of a breed club would blatently slag off another breeder but he sold a puppy so im sure thats all he cares about.

teejay - I'm sure cani1 can clear up your confusion but in the meantime I think you've misread what's been said.  You might want to read the post again

thanks everyone for your advice
dog a babe, we have seen a ddb show we are thinking of going to in october,
any suggestions on how to find any others?

>dog a babe, we have seen a ddb show we are thinking of going to in october, <br />any suggestions on how to find any others?

There are quite a few championship shows coming up - depends where you are and how far you wish to travel -  and you can find a list at the following sites.  If you look at the schedules you'll see what classes are available for your breed

Fosse Data
Higham Press
Penney Pine

There are other sites for schedules but these should give you a place to start.  Most breed club sites also list the shows where their breed has classes.  HTH

I'm sorry but my post has been read the wrong way.
I musn't of explained myself properly , what I was saying is that we found Mr Cairns to have a very good line that we liked , and he was very helpful. He was not the person who warned us of another breeder. It was someone else from the club and after hearing a lot of horror stories   (yes I know they are just stories I have heard , so may not be true ) from people who have contacted me for a puppy , about this one breeder / line of dogues , I have thought it best to steer clear myself! But that was my choice!

I certainly am not in it to try and get a puppy sale , I have not had a litter of dogues for a year , and do not have any planned , I will only breed very occassionally , when I want to keep a puppy or two for myself. I'm sure the original poster can confirm that I have in no way talked to her about my line / or tried to talk her into a dogue from similar lines.
I pm'd her and gave her some advice , and also the name of a breeder who I have not met , but have seen their dogues at shows and was quite impressed with them.
I told her that I think when I decide on another dogue I will have a look at this kennel and make up my mind . I agree that you have to look around yourself and decide what is best for you , I was simply trying to give a little advice to someone who is new. I will also state that I would ensure that the breeder that is chosen has all of their dogues health tested , as there are a lot about who are simply over producing poor specimens for a quick buck and not in it for the good of the breed!

Cani1 said "We were warned away by the club of a breeder who is listed here on champdogs who have now started their own breed club , I won't say too much but we definitely made the right decision - if you want any further information ( ie , who to avoid ) you could PM me . "
how have i mis read this?

Cani1 has said they bought a puppy from a committee member after contacting a club who then go on to warn them about another breeder? although this topic was originally about who to contact for advice it turned into Cani1 offering private messages to people should they request on finding out who to avoid on the clubs say so, im not saying Cani1 is looking for puppy sales but that the whoever says these things about others are looking for puppy sales ie whoever on the club told you (Cani1) to stay away from another breeder should have acted more ethically,
my point is that it has been shown here that the club have problems with other breeders for whatever reason but they should by taking their issues up with the approcpriate channels and if their points are true and valid the kC will deal with these so called bad breeders, no club should be trying to influence puppy buyers (i.e you Cani1) in an unporfeshional manner to their way of thinking, this is wrong on all levels.
in all club rules it is notred that no-one should libel or slander another person or stock yet what are they doing here if not trying to disgrace another breeder?there fore being a bad source of advice in my opinion,
Cani1 did you contact the breeder in question about their dogues or lines to find out if there were any truths in the rumours before you forwarded a name of what could be an innocent breeder as someone to avoid? Did you do any research to find out whether the rumours could be based soley on the fact that the breeders in question are successful and the many green eyed monsters have come out to play by spreading vicous stories around the breed ring. look even in my breed we all hear rumours about other breeders "normally the top breeders I may add" but believing them rumours with out knowing the facts is what shows nievety to the goings on in the dog breeding world and is the cause to a lot of crap being spread around that isnt true or fair on who its being said about. a breed club should know better than to do this

teejay - how have you misread the post?

By saying this:  "im horrified to hear that a vice chairman of a breed club would blatently slag off another breeder but he sold a puppy so im sure thats all he cares about"

That information was not in cani1's post

*apologies to the OP for the off topic element.  It's an interesting breed group you may be buying into

my apoligies for going off topic and for asuming it was the vice chairman aswell but ive been the victim of nasty gossip in my own breed that wasnt true and people need to get their facts right before making judgement, anyway does it matter which committee member of the club it was? surely the point is that no person in a respectable position on a club should slag off another breeder? vice chairman or just a committee member it was wrong.

i can confirm after pm'ing cani1, she hasn't said she has any puppies for sale, infact she told me said only breeds every few years to keep a pup for herself.
yes dogs a babe, i think your right about this being a interesting breed.
we want a ddb purely for a pet. we as buyers are choosing breeders to enquire about any upcoming litter based purely on our own judgement.

Thank you dogs a babe for actually seeing that I am not out to cause trouble.
I think teejay , you are jumping on my back as you are still angry about what people have said about you in the past ( which you described in your previous post! )
I have offered my advice and opinion to the op , as this is what this site is about , if you stick around you will see that champdogs is a forum where people help each other out , and give their honest views. I would promote health testing on all dogs not just dogues and the people I have spoken about at the time I was looking were not health testing their dogues , just making quick easy money.

My word people can be touchy on this website! People should be allowed to give advise without being slated. Cani1 mentioned where she got her dogue from but did not name any particular breeder who not to go to. I own 2 dogues, I am not a breeder and it is very hard to find a good reputable breeder because a lot of people now breed the dogue to make money and not for the interest of improving such a magnificent breed. Both my dogues come from different breeders, both having been showing and owning the breed for many years. The main thing is to look around, make sure all health issues have been addressed, that the breeder knows what they are talking about. I say this because I went to look at a litter, ad said the puppies came from certain lines, parents hip scored, show quality etc, the breeder had no record of hip scoring, the puppies where definately not show quality, in fact didnt even look like fully bred dogues, and the small room which they where in was also home to other expensive puppies of other breeds. When checking hip scores of both parents, go on the kennel club website and also research grandparents hip scores etc because as I was told by the BVA, hip dysplasia can miss generations and may only happen to one puppy in a litter.

Thanks Pippadee , couldn't of said it better myself , great advice.