Calling all horsey people !!! :D

A friend of mine is looking to get a Welsh Sec B (12.2) pony for her 2 girls.

Questions is, she has come across a pony that is for sale "without papers". What does this mean in regard to her showing the pony, ie, jumping etc, and for when she sells the pony on when outgrown.

I have never been involved in that side of things, as my horses are race horses, and only came with a passport...

Can you enlighten me please !!! :D

NAt

Now I'm probably wrong sis, but I thought that Welsh ponies are registered rather like a kc reg with the breed society to prove that they are pure Welsh and not a cross. This only would be a prob if you were doing breed showing as opposed to jumping etc .

Does anything of that make sense?! :D
Not sure if that is 100% right but that was what I was told many moons ago, (not as many moons as you though eh?!)
jue

yup, thats right Jue....why don't they ask WHY its without papers? Unlike dogs.....ponies can be registered at a later date.

It can be registered for either jumping or showing (non native breed - BSPS) without papers from the Welsh Pony & Cob Society. Unfortunatley, loads of ponys get sold as Welsh, when they are actually "Welsh type" - never had papers at all, not from registered parents, even. Even more worryingly - lots of stolen ones get sold on without papers - has it been check for freezebrand or microchip?
Gwen

Cheeky sis (Jue)!!! :D Im not that much older than you !!!!

Sam & Gwen.,

Im not sure why its being sold without papers, the current owners have had the pony for 3 years, so im guessing it was sold to them without any. Not sure if its freeze marked or chipped, my friend had just phoned as an initial enquiry, and the owner told her this straight away, so she is now sort of re thinking...

I shall pass on your comments, thanks very much...

Nat

I know someone who has one of my pups (well she is six now :D) and they breed section A and B WElsh, and show them. Mum used to run a riding school, so are experienced folk. Last I saw them they had about 20! They live at Falfield, near Thornbury, Glos (North of Bristol)

Barbara

Do you think they might have some for sale?? Would you be able to forward their details to me???

Thank you, my friend is basically calling anyone she thinks might have a pony suitable, but has found the price range differs quite considerably, from £2,000 - £6,000 !! :D

Many thanks

Nat

Hi Barbara, It depends very much what they are looking to do with the pony - if they want a registered section B to show, and which will do BSPS and WHP type classes as well, around £2000 is pretty steep but not out of the question. £6000 is a lot for a pony unless it is already winning. Certainly, if they are just looking for a reliable, steady, first pony, this sort of money is way too much. However, if they want a real top class, county standard pony, it might be best to put themselves in the hands of a show producer, if they are novices themselves. I know some one who breeds very good section B/first ridden/12.2hh show pony types, and could pass on her phone number, if she has anything available. She tends to sell them on fairly young - usually just backed and ridden away, as she doesnt have any tiny jockeys at home any more.
Gwen

Barbara : Thanks for the details.

Gwen: Could I have your contact details too please :D

Basically they are looking for a first pony for their daughters aged 6 and 9. Tiny girls, not very tall and look like stick insects. They wanted welsh as its a more hardy pony (?) and will basically be doing schooling, jumping, hacking and some pc activities....but if she pays £2,000 she really wants something to come with tack and rugs...do you think that is reasonable for the price??

Natasha

Hi, Natasha,

I will e-mail Margarets phone no. to you. I would think if it is a genuine 1st/2nd pony they are looking for £2000 inc tack should be ample.
Gwen

Thanks very much Gwen.. :D

natasha

My contact is also a Margaret, would be funny if it was same person :D :D

Have sent you details!

Hi, just a footnote about the hardiness of Welsh B ponies. Not all are completely winter hady, depending on their breeding. About 30 years ago they started being shown as show ponies and a finer lighter boned type was encouraged for these "riding pony" classes. I dont think there are many "old type" ones left now sadly. They may need a New Zealand rug in the middle of winter if not stabled at night, and will almost certainly need lots of good quality hay. Hope you dont mind me saying.

WL

Of course I dont mind you saying !!! :D

My ex race horse has been rugged up all year round !!! :D But he's a different story !!

My friend is looking for something that she can keep out for longish periods of time, and will be brought in overnight. Unfortunately, she is getting input from all angles, and someone has told her that she will be paying about £100 per week if hes kept in (TOSH in my opinion !!).

It doesnt even cost me £100 pw for my horse and hes 16hh !! I've calculated around £60pw, as her livery will be £45 (part DIY).

You know what its like "too many cooks......."

But thank you for putting me straight on that score !! :D

Natasha

Natasha

Hopefully this might give you an idea:

My 13.2hh New Forest pony eats a bale of hay in about 3days and a bag of mix in about 3 weeks and she has a scoop of chaff a day in winter in her feed as well.

Tracy

Thanks Tracy

I had said to my friend that a bag of chaff and nuts should last her about 3 weeks, and 5 bales of hay should be 4 weeks ish...

Natasha

Natasha

Wilby is on full livery, plus I have to pay for his hay, bedding and food. He's 15.3/16.00 and eats like, well, a horse. We don't skimp with his food or bedding and his monthly bill is £260.

9th

Natasha

Wilby is registered on the part-breed register of the Welsh Pony and Cob Society, as he is 50% Section D, 50% TB. None of his transfers were up to date, but the Welsh Pony and Cob Soc. were very helpful.

It could be that this pony has either never been registered with them or his papers are lost. The two are different prospects. Lost papers can be replaced. The WPCS would be able to advise -

WPCS

9th

Thanks for that 9th, I'll have a look at their details...

Natasha :D