Hello All

Ollie seems to have taken a liking for Grapes, Are they OK for him, Also Has taste for the occasional Oatcake!
Does anyone have adivice on this?

Since I last posted he's had a "sprained Toe" - Playing football in the garden, after "another visit to the vet & medication He's now back to playing football...AND tomorrow He's allowed out for his First walk!!! all very exciting..
Regards
Annie

Grapes are fine but if it go's down whole you may will get it back, so cut or bite in half before offering, or wash before returning to fruit bowl. Jackie H

JACKIE!!!!!

Sorry - grapes (and raisin and any other form of dried grape, ie sultanas) are NOT fine.....
'Recently, there was a letter in the AVMA Journal from Dr. Gwaltney-Brant and others at the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center discussing grape and raisin poisoning in dogs. Apparently, grapes and raisins can be toxic to dogs when ingested in large quantities.

The grapes and raisins came from varied sources, including being eaten off the vine directly. The dogs exhibited gastrointestinal signs including vomiting and diarrhea and then signs of kidney failure with an onset of severe kidney signs starting about 24 hours after ingestion of the grapes or raisins. The amount of grapes eaten varied between 9oz. and 2 lbs., which worked out to be between 0.41 and 1.1 oz/kg of body weight. Two dogs died directly from the toxicity, three were euthanized due to poor response to treatment and five dogs lived. Due to the severity of the signs and the potential for death, the veterinarians as the poison control center advocate aggressive treatment for any dogs suggested of ingesting excessive amounts of grapes or raisins, including inducing vomiting, stomach lavage (stomach pumping) and administration of activated charcoal, followed by intravenous fluid therapy for at least 48 hours or as indicated based on the results of blood tests for kidney damage.

http://www.vetinfo.com/doginfo.html

OK - 9oz is a lot of grapes - but personally this is a risk I wouldn't take.......

Well you live and learn, all mine have eaten grapes over the last 50 years but I've never been able to afford the give them in quantity, not that I would even if I could. Will admit large amount of grapes don't do my insides any good but a few are a pleasure that I guess I will continue to share with my dogs. They also eat, apples oranges carrots cabbage and most other veg and fruit. In their season large amounts of blackberries, are they doing them harm, if so I don't see how I can stop them, perhaps this is a case for a muzzle. Jackie H

Grapes also cause diahrrea (still can't spell it :D) in children so be warned if he has a lot.

Fiona

Fiona,

Diarrhoea is easy to spell if you remember this - Dash In A Rush Run Hard Or Else Accident! That's how my kids learnt to spell it at school!
sas

After a bief article in Dogworld back in October 'Grapes Not Great for A Dog's Health, I became concerned. But just as Jackie, my dogs have always ate grapes and raisins ever since I can remember. Although never in 'large' quantities. By no means, do I want to recommend someone give their dogs something harmful, but I think 'large quantities' is the relavent factor here.
I can't help but invision, Barbara-Annie now sticking her finger down poor Oliver's throat to get the couple of grapes he had this morning. Even the article in Dogworld stated that in their study "ALL of the cases involved dogs eating LARGE amounts of grapes and raisins, so the APCC recommends that owners make sure their dog doesn't have the opportunity to do so."

Hi, I seem to remeber reading somewhere that although a peice of apple is ok to give dogs that the pips must be removed a they contain a deadly poison - I think cyanide - could it be the pips in the grapes that are bad for the dog and not the grape itself?

I am glad I have seen this thread, as there is nothing that my two love more than to hunt a grape for half an hour before eating it, surely one every so often is ok, they would also kill for a raisin, which I put with small amounts of cheese into a treat ball when they have been good, (so again, not often!!) they have never shown any signs of illness, and I've been doing it for 2yrs now
emily

Right!!!
So thre Odd grape now & again, Oliver hasn't shown any ill effects. I take it the oatcakes 1-2 a day OK?

Annie

What do you mean by Oatcakes? Are you talking about the savoury pancake or biscuit? Or something completely different!!

Fiona

Hi Fiona
SAVOURY PANCAKE! what is that? oh well whatever By OATCAKES I mean Scottish Rough Oatcaks (no added Sugar) the ones people eat with cheese!
Its probably cos I'm scottish!! but I assumed eveyone whould no what I meant!

Annie

Oatcakes from Staffordshire, or perhaps just the Potteries area, are essentially savoury pancakes. They look just like pancakes and I usually serve them filled with ragu and covered with a cheese sauce. Scrummy :D

I can't help you with the Scottish Oatcakes I'm afraid, I've never ventured that far north!! Bearing in mind I don't know much about dogs, I wouldn't have thought they'd do any harm, especially as they're no added sugar.

Fiona

Just had a thought, are the oatcakes like babies rusks? That sort of thing? If they are they should be fine as Holly loves Rusks - no added sugar of course!!

In the summer both Grumpy Collie and TH will strip the fruit bushes bare given half a chance. It's funny to watch Stinky stripping the bush, but less funny when you have to pick up poo packed solid with blackcurrants.

Hi Fiona
Yes the pancakes do sound really good - I'm sure ollie would prefer them to my oatcakes!!
Its all trial & error really& obviously common sense with the grapes, I was only talking about 4!
all day.
Ollie and I have just been out for his "2nd walk" trying to get him to walk in a STRAIGHT line is & I believe,WILL ALWAYS be a problem He was tripping over my feet & Vice Versa ( but he loved it ) & so Did I. He was wagging his tail all the way (which I've read is a good sign)!!! - Unfortunately It poured on the way back, & we came back soaking, BUT I guess thats all part of it!
Have you started walking you little one yet?
Annie

Hi Annie,

We've just started walking Holly and she loves it. She also loves trying to trip me up and takes great delight in ripping the heads off the daffodils in the neighbourhood flower beds!!

Fiona

Had to go and get me some Oakcakes for breakie after reading this post this morning.

Me being a Staffordshire lass grew up on Oatcakes with full english breakfast every sunday morning, we used to go down to the Oatcake shop early to get them hot by the dozen! Get them home put them on nan's tin plate in the bottom oven of the aga, go feeding the lambs, dogs, geese etc while nan did a 'fry up' and put the Sunday Roast in the top oven ready for a 'buttie dip' at 11'es!

Sorry think I'm showing my age now lol. Ah Happy days fighting a broody hen for the eggs ouch! Getting butted up the rear at the same time by a billy with the dogs just sitting watching waiting for me to drop an egg or 2 for their extra breakfast lol.