Check out these new breeds!!!

Collie x Lhasa Apso
Collapso. A dog that folds for easy transport.

Pointer x Setter
Poinsetter. A traditional Xmas pet.

Irish Water Spaniel x English Springer Spaniel
A dog fresh and clean as a whistle.

Newfoundland xBasset Hound
Newfound Asset hound. A dog for the financial advisor.

Pekinese x Lhaso Apso
Peekasso. An abstract dog.

Bloodhound x Labrador
Blabador. A dog that barks incessantly.

Collie x Malamute
Commute. A dog that travels well.

Bull Terrier x Shitzu
Bull.......Oh never mind!!! :D

Unless of course you can do better!!! (Feel like Esther Rantzen!!!) :O

Ooooh ..deja vu

I'm sure I posted this list about a week and a half ago :D

Very funny though and worth another look

Fantastic Love this!!

Kirsty
:D

just a couple of others

Samoyed + Ridgeback
Samridge : Loves going on picnics

Pekingnese + Bulldog
Pekibull : likes to hide from you :p

Something that I found funny, which is actually factual, is that they have crossed a labrador with a poodle and got called it a labradoodle!

BB

This is a well known one - we often get requests for them on the board.

Pam n co

And we (I) dont like it!

I am sure you mean Labradoodle and not Portugese Water dog. I like the latter, but unclipped! :D

It is indeed Labradoodle that I mean Brainless.

Regards, John

Am I right in thinking labradoodles were bred as guide dogs for the asthmatic

yes but the experiement failed

Hi John,
Apparently, the "experiment" has turned into an actual breed. "But still too early to deem as success of failure." Blame the Aussies, I guess. It seems to originate there.

I just ran a search on google and came up with various breed profiles, standards, and pictures. It looks as if they've been at least trying to get the various "faults" out to improve this breed. It takes time to get things right. Oh, and they claim in the small print that no dog has ever proven "hypoallergenic"... well, duh, they can't prove that for anything, let alone dogs. It just looks like a lot of hair and high activity for this odd creature. To each, his own, I guess.

I'm not for or against the specific beed. How else do breeds originate if it weren't for adaptation and human interference? Now if only it didn't sound like a cookie flavor.
toodles

I can't agree with you Toodles. In the main the people breeding these are in it for the money not with serious intentions of the betterment of dogs. The findings of the Guide Dogs was that they did not breed true. As I have said on here so many times, I get so annoyed about my beloved Labradors being the butt of unscrupulous breeders and people wanting "Designer Dogs" Where else could you find a mongrel costing more than its component parts!

Regards, John

The only thing I can say John, is that is says a lot about the Labradors qualities if people are always using them as the basis for their weird little cross-breeding experiments.

Fiona

John,
Um, I think you misunderstood me. I have no opinion on the subject of Labradoodles at all :D Not my area of expertise and all that. But on developing new breeds, there is a lot to consider.

I do believe that over the centuries, breeding dogs has always been done with an eye for profit and not pure altruistic reasons. Improving the breed obviously betters the health of the dog and therefore the output of the original purpose. Of course, I'm not referring to the current version of puppy mills. But finance did play a large role in developing breeds that reduced human or expensive animal labor.

Just to use as examples and obviously not inclusive:
Rottweiler (protecting tax money & pulling carts cheaper than horses),
collies & corgis (herding animals)
sled dogs (transporting goods to & from settled areas)
Gun, & Sight hounds (hunting for food & tracking down animals)
Bulldog & terrier breeds (made money in various "baiting & betting" schemes)

If the dog breeds didn't bring in some type of economic profit... either labor or monied, certain dog breeds would not have thrived. There are already extinct breeds just due to changing times and attitudes. Employment and customs have changed over the centuries, this affects breeds and their existence.

Case in point at the moment, is the discussion about the packs of foxhounds. Sure, they're bred for species improvement, but it sounds that if hunting is banned, a mass cull will occur. Where's the altruism and regard to morals there? If they don't earn their keep, they die. Hmm. (I know, I just set off a heated discussion for the exact reason, but basically it sounds as if the owners won't want to bother with the large packs dogs, if they can't practically use them)

Having a pet for pure enjoyment is a recent invention for those who are not wealthy. Vets had to focus more on livestock/horses, up to the 1950s and even now in certain areas, just because dogs as pampered pets were not common enough to make a living upon.

Developing and maintaining any breed consists of blending many reasons. Finance has always been within the mixed bag that helped to develop the varied breeds of dogs today. It's easy to get on a soapbox and complain that certain breeders aren't being moral enough because they aren't doing what one thinks they should be doing for that specific reason. I tend to believe that morality in regards to dog breeding is an extremely subjective virtue and always has been :D

just my humble opinion
toodles

Cross Breeding

Thanks Leigh. Read the postings and found them very thought provoking. Followed the links to see the Toy Munchkins. What a look! To each is own, I guess

The toy munchkin was featured 3 years ago as a great pet for kids by a reputable vet. She chose it for her own family pet. It seems to be a cross of a Pomeranian and Yorkie. The idea was to get a small breed with the same temperment. There are differences in them and tell me that last time you saw a Pomeranian in black and white or in a wide assortment of colors. They come in varying colors.

I have never see a black and white Yorkie. I certtainly have see Black and white Klein Spitz from which Poms descended originally, and belkeive the colour was around at one time!

Actually I doubt very much if they have yorkie in them more like Pom and Chihuahua.

Wouldn't it look something like a Portugese Water Dog? Curls + size

john why are so against labradoodles just because they are a cross doesn't mean thay are not a breed

They have as much right to be called a breed as any cross has! They are a cross and nothing more or less. As in any cross there is no guarantee which side of the cross the puppy will grow up to take after so to me you cannot call it a breed. A breed, by the very nature of the world as a specific appearance! From what I've seen it appears to be an exercise in producing designer pups at inflated prices.

I love Labradors and am sad to see the breed I have kept for so many years become the subject of the cult of designer anything. To try to justify it under the guise of being allergy friendly is a myth, after all, if you don’t know whether the cross is going to take after the Labrador or the Poodle, how on earth can this claim be made?

All this is not knocking crosses. My first dog was not even a cross. I don’t think even his mum knew who his dad was!!! But it takes rather more to create a breed than just putting two dogs of differing breeds together.

Regards, John

yeah , but people buy them and they are popular AND isn't it because people mix breeds that we have new ones and (i'm not meaning to start a fight ) we still have the Labrador and just because we don't like them other people should still be able to enjoy the breed.

Sorry John, but i have to disagree with what you're essentially saying - not to say that i like/approve of the labradoodle scenario (silly name for one ), but many breeds started out as "crosses", lurchers or bull terriers for example - the latter mixed for bad reasons basically to have a more agile stout dog for fighting, yet they are one of the most popular breeds today, for good or bad reasons, yet they make fantastic pets if brought up and socialised properly. Who are we to say that breeding new "breeds" is a bad thing, who knows what they will have evolved into in a century or so or of breeding? Also, i feel that the "cross-breed" has nothing to do with the individual breeds themselves - yes you may be attached to labs and love them dearly - but i think the labradoodle is a seperate thing all together.

But Cleopatra, you are agreeing with me! Just as I gave the reason on the Labradoodle thread for the Jack Russell and the Golden retriever, so you have given the reason for the Lurcher and the Bull Terrier! The fact that you disaprove of the reasons for developing the Bull Terrier is immaterial. They were developed in a different era when different standards of behaviour were the order of the day.

So I still come back to the original question on the other thread. What is the reason for trying to establish this as a breed?

Regards, John

I think that the reasons are immaterial - which i think i was trying to say on my last post. The stafford, etc was not bred for the most altruistic of reasons yet it has still evolved into a loved and respected breed. Maybe the reasons for the labradoodle cross are not through the best of intentions but who is to say that the result might not be magnificent - which in my opinion the stafford is? Creation of a new breed of dog is not bad in itself, and to castigate the labradoodle for somply being a cross is simply not justifies -yet!

I know people that like the Labradoodle. to dislike the breed is one thing but to cast it out and those that simply like it in itself is immoral should be frowned upon maybe as cleopatra said with the stafford, the labradoodle will turn into a loved and most importantly respected breed.(maybe not yet but maybe eventually)

Staffords may be a loved and respected breed but they are also a most abused breed ever,in the kennels I use for rescue ( Labs) there are some most horrifically injured dogs in there one with half a face !!! through being in the wrong hands,the staffie rescue have something like 400 dogs on their books and thats just one rescue here in north west,and if crosses come in they are PTS and if any bitch comes in mismated the pups are PTS as soon as they are born so if staffs are the result of a cross in the beginning I think John is quite right to be worried about Labradoodles,I too am sick to death of designer dogs its hard enough to get homes for proper ones

though there are a lot of dogs without homes , i doubt the ones being bred are going with out homes ( seeing as they are so hard to come by).

In an average Lab litter there can be six to eight pups sometimes twelve,you may get homes for them all beleive me when I say that out of the average litter if all those dogs stay in there home for the rest of there life they are very lucky indeed,if you believe they all do you are in cuckoo land designer breeds are just as likely to be abused and abandonded than any dog,money isnt an object people can pay a thousand pounds for a dog and then not want it,we had a lab in in january 13 weeks he had been bought from dogs r us £450 plus bed blankets the lot,he was brought in and dumped without a backward glance, these designer dogs will end up in puppy farms make no mistake and then where will it all end.

but people will always carry on breeding and people will buy them so the circle carrys on.

But that does not mean that we have to approve.

John

PS. Do you please think you could keep to one thread with these posts. After all, they are all dealing with the same thing and you are talking to the same people. Dodging backwards and forwards between threads is a waste of time and a needless complication.

Thank you for that PS: JOHN:)
It will make it easier for those of us trying to follow all the pros: & cons: on this debate,or if tictac would like to start a new thread it might be easier
karl

i saw a for sale ad for a lab and yorkie cross. I do'nt understand how. I know nothing about breeding and i don't know what sex the yorkie was or the labrador, but surely a yorkie can't reach a lab and a lab would be to big to grow in a yorkie can someone explain please.

well I've seen a 15 hand mare back up to a muck heap to allow a little Shetland stallion the opportunity so maybe the yorkie stood on an armchair or the lab lay down ??? :D This is presuming dad the yorkie and mum the lab - sounds painful the other way round

Debbie, I know of a Min. Wire Haired Dachshund (male) x Irish Wolfhound (female) litter. It was an accident, and since the owner couldn't believe that it could possibly have happened, nothing was done until it was too late. Which just goes to show, that while there's a will, there's a way. They probably managed it much the way Sara describes. I used to have a very tall wolfhound bitch who would push my little castrated sheltie male up on to a chair with her nose, and then turn round quick when she was in season. The look of disgust on her face when he jumped down for the third or fourth time without doing what she wanted had to be seen to be believed :D!

i think about 5 or 6 years ago i was reading the paper (the sun) and there had been a litter of 2 puppies borm to a Rottie (mum) and a smooth Dachshund (dad), they were both ownded by the same person and she did not think to keep them apart as she thought that there was no way that they anything could happen, juat glad it did not happen the other way around (just thinking about it makes my eyes water)
in the paper they said that she kept one of the puppies and it turned out to be the size of mum and as long as dad and the other one the other way around(short and small)!!

Bobby