the two posts i have made in behaviour have both been locked do members deliberately try to get new peoples posts locked there seems to be a real disliking to new people. but saying that i would like to thank the really helpfull people who replied. i have only read through a few posts but alot of them seem to be the same sort of things hapening members who have been here along time ganging up on newer less dog knowing members not everyone breeds and shows and trains but we should still be excepted.

If you  CHECK the threads, you will find that ONE member started going on and on about *Prong collars* ..this ONE member constantly brings these things up in threads and gets the thread locked

How ONE member can gang up I have yet to imagine :rolleyes:

ALL of the actual replies to your thread by genuine members were helpful

I was following that same post and it was not the person who brought up prong collars who got it locked, he suggested one maybe and then some others starting hasseling him or her and more or less saying "You must use my way and nothing else on your three dogs" it was those who messed up the post not the person suggesting prong collars, the poster wants something which works not dictating to as to they should listen to.

There is something going on which is not above board on here, the other day someone said dog trainers sell their services and then went on to state that indirect abuse on a behaviourists site, all went quiet and then that was locked, I want to know which behaviourists site did indirect abuse occure and how? someone knows thats why that post went quiet, whats going on here, something is thats for sure, read the post below in full everyone and make your own minds up,.
http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/board/topic/83160.html

Unfortunately, you have only been here on the board for a very short while and so don't know the *history* of the person who bought up the prong collars. Other people have been here a lot longer and DO know his methods and his constant name changing....

I thought thats what one of these email advice things was about, saying what you think might help someone, they take the advice or leave it. You seem to think they should only take one bit of advice by compulsion and are not allowed to make their own minds up, with three dogs creating havoc I would say they need all the choices and info available.

The problem is there really is no substitute for training. 

There are training aids, and thre is control equipment the most humane one that can be used without too much experience by novice owners are the ones that the poster doesn't like, Head collars.

I am rather a lazy person when it comes to training, it isn't the pastime to share with my dogs that floats my boat, so I stick to the bare essentials (recall and lead walking).  I attend classes with the dogs when pups, and love to watch trainers doing wondrous things with their dogs, but haven't the dedication, but know I must get the basics trained in order to have a happy well mannered dog.

Prong collars, electric collars, and to some people even the old slip chain/check chain/choke chain are inhumane pieces of equipment, some used as a hope for a quick fix.

Personally I like the half check collars, as they reward the dog for walking on a loose lead, and give a little pressure (no more than a buckle collar) when the dog pulls.

The equipment will have no effect without the training. 

When I start lead training the pup has to realise that it is effecting the action of the collar.  The most important thing is to not have constant pressure on the lead, as if the dog has a tight lead when at heel and just the same when pulling, then what is the incentive to not pull?

This means the dog must be brought back to heel before moving on again, and feel the benefit of loose lead. 

Lots of praise anytime the dog looks at you and keeps slack lead (might only be seconds).

Something not often taught is for a dog to relax on a loose lead close to you when you are just sitting or standing.

If you bring the dog back to you everytime it hits the end of the lead it will realise that it gets to mooch quietly if it doesn't put tension on the lead.

This can be extremely helpful in the situation where dogs get tense/scared when on lead, because a tight lead maKES THEM FEEL  they can't get away and feel cornered due to the contant pressure of a tight lead.

The equipment will have no effect without the training.

Very sound piece of advice there brainless

I see this guy every now and then with a really rambunctious "pully" boxer pup,he's been using a choke chain for 6 long months with zero progress,he expects the collar to do all the work and the dog to figure out how to walk to heel all by himself,i doubt he has even spent 5 minutes actually training him to walk to heel

>There is something going on which is not above board on here,<

>all went quiet and then that was locked,<

I guess we will see how sound your'e theory is by the path this thread takes.....

This is why I don't view those who choose to use a check chain as being inherently cruel when they have a well trained dog. 

These people never choke their dogs and thedog rarely pulls so doesn't cause itself any pain or injury, but a quick twitch or jangle of the chain reminds the dog where it needs to be. 

You need a very light touch with a check chain in my opinon not to be cruel, and so many people don't even put them on the right way.

For this reason at our training class we always advise the use of a half check, though do not condemn the use of check chains where appropriate for dog and owner under supervision.

I don't like to use them.

I dont like them either! I just cant see how that crushing action on the throat and windpipe could not be doing any damage tot he dog   I had a bit of a go at the guy with the boxer as the dogs eyes were practically bulging out of his head,he said "Arr he cant feel it,otherwise he wouldnt be pulling"!!!!!   He had his young daughter with him,so i asked him to put the choke chain on her and give a nice firm YANK and let her tell him if it hurts or not :p

I would be one of those people who would put it on backwards,i tried fitting one on another dog once and i just could not get it :o

once a check chain (& its training method) WAS the only method of training. However things have moved on & developed in this country,new training methods & new Equipment.

Harnesses may work well for one do ,yet other dogs may find it easy to pull into them (& damage themselves)

Headcollars,do not teach a dog not to pull,but leave the dog unable to pull. So its no good sticking a headcoller on your dog for a week (be pleased that its not pulling) & then take it off,because the dog will still pull. using a headcollar is a long term thing. i like them for the following reasons

1.You have total control over your dogs head,so can turn the head awayt from scary situations.
2. i have a very noise senstive BC & the pressure on her noise does seem to reassure her when shes been spooked.
3. GP think theyare muzzles & stay AWAY!!!!
4. there are many different designs, im sure one to suit most types of dog!

Yes, that is why I would never call a head collar a training device just a management tool. 

Though of course they do foster good habits in that the dog doesn't pull, so pulling doesn't become such a habit, and the habit it broken.

They are very uyseful when you want to get from A to B with mimum hassle, especially with several sniffy males at a dog show when your loaded down with dogs and equipment :D

lol thats why i use them i dont actually want to train my dogs not to pull. because they do competitin HWork, when they are at heel i want them doing stylish driving close HW, clearly i dont expect them to do that all the time, equally i dont want to "train"them to walk sedatly at heel, as its not what i want in the ring. So the headcollers work perfectly for me, i can have complete control & my arms in my sockets.

i also dont believe that pulling is a dominance/lack of respect to you sort of thing, so im happy not to train them not to pull, & use a headcollar if i ever need them not too!

if that makes any sense at all.
feeling babbly is arvo

No, there's no dislike of new members. However there is a particular person who has been banned very many times over the years for creating trouble, but keeps rejoining under different names; these threads are the ones that get locked because they're invariably taken off-topic and onto the pet theme (and business) of that poster. Unfortunately the genuine new member is unaware of this person's private agenda and doesn't instantly recognise that they're being hijacked.

I think that has happened again in this thread I spot a Dennis LOL

Yep! We should be flattered that he finds us so irresistible! :D :D

thankyou for all your replies everyone i really want to stick with this site when i said about group people it wasnt only on my last thread but the one before that was removed where a member was very nasty to me and another member who was being helpful and actually stuck up for me. i guess that dennis is a trouble maker then? i spose i just kind of got caught up in a old grudge cant members who have been banned be stoped from coming back. not knowing what a prong collar is i cant comment on it. tommorow when the shops are open im going to get them all half check collars that brain less suggested who has been very helpful i know it cant be done with only equipmant but im willing to put the training time in as much as i can