would that be pub measures or own measures

Mattie,
I love the German Wine. I like French [$ Italian wines too, but they do limit me since I can't handle anything darker than Rose due to the acidic and tannen levels. (all relates to color & richness) But white wine is just as beneficial as red, despite the marketing pushing red. One or two glasses a day with dinner is considered "acceptable & good" as long as there isn't any difficulties with alcohol in the individual. But there does tend to be forgetfulness and neglect of reminding how calories can easily pile up and put weight on. ])

My personal fav. is the Bacchus grape from the Mosel Valley, either in Spatlese or Auslese versions (higher degrees of quality). Qualitat wine is considered basic table wine. All German wine is strictly graded. Wine from the Mosel tends to be lighter, a bit sweeter, and fruiter, than from the Rhein area. Rhein wine, don't get me wrong, is excellent, but there is a bit more of a bite to the aftertaste, that I always have to get reaccustomed to.

There are also some really good French wines that I like: White Bordeaux is wonderful in certain years. The Loire Valley has quite a few good wineries that we visited last summer :D Fond memories there

I just enjoy the wine here, because I know from experience that as soon as we return to the States, the same bottle will quadruple in cost!

Sara,

You'll just have to settle for good old California grapes then! :D

Oohhh, no, just no. They've never tasted "right" to me, despite the accolades and awards.
Actually, I'll be consuming good wine from Washington/Oregon vineyards, such as St. Michel [$ Columbia wineries. I think it's because of nearly being on the same latitude as France, Italy, Germany --the wine they produce is very similar. Quite good, in fact Love their Merlot (yeah, I know dk red --but it's worth it ]))

I had forgotten about Columbia Crest! How about Fetzer? Or Robert Mondavi?

Sorry, been living outside of the 'loop' of my home region too long. Haven't heard of them, Quinn.
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Mattie, 'non-temperance nations', eg France, Italy, Spain consume 10 - 11 litres of alcohol per head per year, about half of it wine. People in the 'temperance nations' eg Britain, Ireland US average 6 - 7 litres/person/year about 20% of it wine. People in temperance nations drink about twice as much spirits as those in non-temperance nations, and they have a higher rate of alcoholism. Make of it what you will . We don't tipple at home unless we have 'guests' (friends on the other hand, usually just get coffee ).

six to seven litres of wine a year????? That cannot be right surely Sharon.....I drink that in a week.!!!!

Relax Sam - the equivalent of six or seven litres of pure alcohol

Those figures do look a little off, especially considering Belgium drinks the largest amount of beer per capita in the world and I think it's somewhere averages around 20 gallons per person a year. Germany comes in second, (of course ) Oh, and those glass steins at Oktoberfest and other little 'occasions' are usually 1-2 litres in themselves. I'm always amazed at the servers being able to carry 3-4 FULL glasses in EACH hand! What muscles! :P

Perhaps, instead of litre, it should read as gallons? (Horrible thought, but then again, how much cola do we consume that has loads of sugar & caffeine??????) Personally, I like my weinschorles when I have dinner out. --that hasn't happened lately though About half wine in the glass and half bubbly water. Enough for the wine flavor I like, but less alcohol, sugar, and calories. :D :D :D
toodles

Hi Sara, there isn't a vast amout of absolute alcohol in a pint. Try here to make sense of it - I had no notion it was so complicated!

"IS DRINKING BEER OR WINE, SAFER THAN DRINKING SPIRITS?"

It depends on how much you drink.

Each drink below has about the same amount of ethanol (pure alcohol).

Light Beer
1 x 425mls schooner
contains 2.7% alcohol

Ordinary Beer
1 x 285mls glass
contains 4.9% alcohol

Wine
1x 100ml glass
contains 12% alcohol

Spirits
1 x 30ml nip
contains 40% alcohol

Port/Sherry
1 x 60ml glass
contains 20% alcohol

Source: Centre for Education & Information on Drugs & Alcohol

Wine Industry's Propaganda Misleads Public About Drinking

Thanks Leigh [$ Sharon for the info. :D Fascinating stuff. Because of my ancient job, I had to be able detect intoxication and there was a lot of education about the equivallents levels of various "beverages." Though the trainers never broke it down to absolute science ]) But I'm still handy to take along to parties with my "Eye Nystagmous Gaze test".

Something else possibly to keep in mind, we women have more body fat/water and less dense muscle tissue than men. We also possess a lower amount of certain enzyme in the stomach. This enzyme breaks down the alcohol faster and more efficiently in men.
Alcohol affects us differently and usually more detrimentally than men regarding the liver, the heart, and kidneys. Not scare facts, but something to discourage abuse and misuse of alcohol. It takes us longer to legally "sober" up than a man of the same exact weight who drank the identical amount.
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Just a note: American beer is very watered down in comparison with European/English types. Alcohol percentage is much lower in the US versions thanks to the old days of Prohibition :rolleyes:

Leigh , there is no difference in beer or spirits or wine .
I am afraid I know that to be absolute .
My husband never in his life drank a short , and as you know he suffered liver failure.
I believe all things can be enjoyed in moderation
The thing is alchoholism can creep up without you even noticing it no matter what your poison.
I am sorry to put a damper on the fun but feel it is only right to mention that , lol Mari

Mari, that's exactly what my post was highlighting

Most people assume that they can drink "a couple of pints" and they will be 'ok' because they " never touch spirits" etc etc. As my post tried to show... "it don't work like that" The whole of my post was 'lifted' from CEIDA, an organisation which highlights Drugs & Alcohol abuse, and wasn't my personal opinion.

Also, if you look at the link, it infact gives a very different 'spin' on what the wine industry would have us all believe....

Quote: " ...exposes how the Wine Institute manipulates research evidence to highlight reasons to drink, but fails to report evidence of alcohol's ill effects."

It makes interesting reading.

Hope Keiran is feeling a little brighter today

actually I was pretty worried about that as we buy quite a lot of wine a week.thought I was definitly an Alcoholic
Glad someone else drinks a fair bit

Yes Mattie, I like a regular triple in the evenings.

From a tottery John

John, forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by a triple? My husband likes 12 year old single malt whiskey. Is there such a thing as triple malt?

Three single shots in one glass

No wonder John is tottering LOL

:D

Or a polite way of saying a hand poured measure amounting to about half a tumblerful

Ahhh. Thanks for clearing that up.

now we know why he wears those dark glasses

LOL, LOL, LOL @ mattie!

Hi John, well I knew what you meant..I wonder why.. must be my Scots blood :D

I cant drink wine as I get drunk after the first glass but can guzzle gin and tonic or bacardi and coke :D

Only wine I will drink is called Cloudy Bay from New Zealand but can only afford it when we splash out as too expensive for an everyday drink.

When I win the lottery tonight I will only ever drink C.Bay, champagne and Remy so hope to say cheers later :D

Gina x

Bacardi rules the world :D

It most certainly does Melodysk:D

Anita

Oooh Anita ..we will have to get together in the drinks tent sometime , someplace

:D

Melody

But would there be enough Bacardi for both of us:D

Anita

Probably not if I were there too :D
Gina

The next village down from where I live produce the most potent fruit wines, you know you've drunk a glass of wine when you've sampled these! 3 glasses of Strawberry wine and I fell asleep and missed the Eurovision Song Contest (Blessing in disguise?), it's powerful stuff. I'm softening the pup's food tonight in it so they may stop getting upat 3.30am!!!!!

black russains--baileys-and that almond one, ammoretto or something, :D

am i the only lady here that doesnt like wine at all? give me a pint of lager every time!!xxlouisexx

Labfan,
If it's any consolation, I love beer/ale too. It just doesn't like me. Even a thimbleful will make me completely exhausted within several hours and lasts forever. Not the alcohol, since the non-alc.does the same thing. There's a lot of really good brews around here, but not for me
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Hey Sara, I used to get that with beer too - then found out i was intolerant to the cobination of wheat and yeast... Do you get any similiar symptoms with bread or anything???

Hi Cleo,
I've been thinking for the last few years that I can't handle brews for the same reason as you...concentration/combination of wheat, yeast, and likely the hops. No problems with breads --then again, I don't eat any of the heavier or darker breads I also don't deal well with barley soup. So I just believe it's the entire mix :D :D Either that, or I imbibed too much in my young and wild days to use up my lifetime allotment

I can't really drink wine as I usually get a prickly red face within the first few sips (very attractive!) but I can drink anyone under the table with Brandy! Thing is, I always have to make sure hubbie is with me as I'm too expensive to take myself out!
However, I have found a wine that tastes lovely and agrees with me, but I don't know where to get it. My husband was given it at Xmas at work, so it's bound to be cheap~but I can't find it in the shops. It's white and I think it's called Silver Birch. Anyone ever heard of it?
Michele

Hi Michele,
Just looked for it. It seems to be a type, not a brand. Appears to be tree sap -sim. to maple syrup. So it's not grape based. That's probably why you don't have an intolerance to it. It looks intriguing. I'll have to try it out one of these days. :D :D
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Scottish Silver Birch
Welsh Silver Birch

when I lived in Germany, I consumed vast amounts of German wine but I have gone right off it now, I find it too sweet. No one has mentioned my fave drink....good ol Scrumpy Jack........cider, I could drink it by the bucket!!

Californian wine is the best
Ernst&julio gallo White Grenache/ white Zinfandel and Columbard. :D :D :D :D

Hi Ali I love those wines too:D.Gillian

Gillian
If you like those wines, Have you tried the Blossom Hill wines mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Yummy :D

Ali

I'm drinking a glass of Blossom Hill right now :D

Gina