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By guest [gb] Date 09.06.02 11:48 GMT
poppy is a 13 week old Border Terrier and she is settling in very well.The problem we're having with her is that a couple of times a day she goes wild! She races round and round the house and garden barking and being quite aggressive if we try to stop her. She eventually tires herself out and will pant for a while and then have a sleep.Is this normal behaviour? The only way that we can deal with her when she's like this is to put her out of the room as shouting at her or smacking her doesn't help at all. I'd be very grateful for any advice.
By John (****) [gb] Date 09.06.02 12:23 GMT
Shouting or smacking, as you so rightly say, is not the answer all it does is raise the level of excitement still further. You say this happens "A couple of times a day" Have you been able to see a common factor leading to this? It's perfectly normal for a puppy to alternate between sleep and activity. What is not normal is for the activity to be aggressive. Not knowing your level of experience so please don’t take offence but puppies of this age do engage in play fighting which can look quite realistic. Its nature’s way of equipping them for a future in the wild finding and catching their food.

If this is not the case try to find the trigger. Is it immediately on waking? When someone comes to the door? Just before feeding? Somewhere there is a cause and if the cause can be found then you are more than half way towards sorting it.

Regards, John
By mari [ie] Date 09.06.02 12:24 GMT
Hi Sue there are a number of reasons your pup is behaving this way . could be a mild fit , due to worms or epilepsy , could be the pup is hyperactive as well .
I would be worried a little bit about going to sleep after the mad dash and also the fact yopu cannot do anything to stop the pup while in this mood ,so I think it best you go to the vet and get it cleared it isent a medical problem.
You can then decide which way to go if it is only misbehaviour.
I would be loathe to advise you now untill you have seen the vet. very best wishes Mari
By avaunt [gb] Date 09.06.02 13:05 GMT
All my Dobes as pups (my first puppy Dobe, not my first Dobe, was about 1978) have displayed this behaviour, I let them get on with it, as John says it's just a part of their learning about themselves, learning balance and all kinds of things.
I have always let mine get on with it.
Terriors can be naturaly aggressive.If you think that you cannot stop it then do not try, the reason being the pup will learn it does not have to take any notice of you and this can lead to training problems later on.
By Leigh [gb] Date 09.06.02 13:59 GMT
Welcome to the forum Sue :-)

In my experience,what you are describing is normal puppy behaviour! Puppies do have a *mad half hour* and then crash and sleep. I am not a terrier person, but all my puppies have exhibited this behaviour and the adults still do.

Stop worrying .... you have a normal healthy puppy.
Enjoy her ;-)
By ALI.C [gb] Date 09.06.02 14:29 GMT
Sometimes my boxer pup just goes into Loopy mode. She will fly around the garden and jump on things or try to kill the plants that look too menacing. It is really funny to watch. She has at least 1-2 a day of these. :D
By eoghania [de] Date 09.06.02 14:32 GMT
Chienne will still go in to "Frog butt" mode where she tucks her hind end under, sticks her rear legs out and skitters around crazily. In the Autumn, she's a blast on the fallen leaves... loves making the quick turns on the paths sliding through them (oh, and she never falls over due to a lack o'tail ;-))
cool
By Melodysk (Moderator) [gb] Date 09.06.02 14:32 GMT
Hudson is 6 months old and STILL has a mad half an hour ..usually just after he gets in from a walk for some reason eek

Imagine having nearly 6 stone of Malamute running around the garden ...into the house ..cicuit lap of the living room and back out again

:D

Melody
Now a 6th Form Adminstrator and still mum to 2 Mad Mallies
By Jacquie [gb] Date 09.06.02 18:32 GMT
His uncle Blaze STILL does this (usually after a walk!!) at five and a half years old and nearly eight stone!!! So don't hope for too much just yet Melody :D :D
By Melodysk (Moderator) [gb] Date 09.06.02 18:39 GMT
I'm not holding my breath Jacquie :D ...We just get out of the way .....

:-)
Now a 6th Form Adminstrator and still mum to 2 Mad Mallies
By sam (****) [gb] Date 09.06.02 14:53 GMT
Sue
this is normal border terrier behaviour........just let her get on with it....smacking is pointless as she is not doing anything wrong.
By Dawn B (***) [gb] Date 09.06.02 16:39 GMT
Sue.
My 3 Border Terriers still go "nuts" every now and then, sounds normal to me, the aggression thing is probably excitement, although Borders are very "vocal" dogs.
Dawn.
By Lynda [gb] Date 09.06.02 15:26 GMT
Hi Sue,

Not much experience of the terrier either, However I have two ex-racing greyhounds whom at 4 and 5 year old have just returned to puppyhood. They both go screaming round the house and garden at 35mph for fun, killing the odd slipper or glove on the way. if they are playing together or with the lab they can 'sound' agressive but this is only play.

Like the other replies, I just let them get on with it, whilst trying to save my knee caps.

Lynda:)
By Brainless (*****) [gb] Date 09.06.02 15:49 GMT
My first dog had these lopy games running up and down the stairs and doing circuits of the dining room table and out again. all the elkies have had these mad five minutes, but wih another dog available play tag or beat each other up sounding like they are knocking 7 bells out of each other, though you can tell bythe silly grins that it is all fun.

the pups growling and seeming aggression is either aimed at you or an imaginery frriend.

It is letting off steam!!!!!!!!

I get it in the mornings when I let then into the living room once we are all up for the day (even though they have had the kitchen door open to the garden for an hour or so, if it is a weekend and we are laying ihn!), and about 8pm! Even the older ones do it, though if you take notice of it they will stop as they feel fooolish!
Barbara and the Grey Curly Tails.
By Jackie H [gb] Date 09.06.02 16:53 GMT
Have two Elks who behave like this after they have had a poo, they rush around the garden & or house totaly ecstatic at their achevement and any attempt to stop them physicly will get a vocal response but if I give it a few moments and say enough then it will slowly subside. The older one is 8. JH
By dizzykizzy [gb] Date 09.06.02 17:37 GMT
My douglas (nearly 11 weeks :-) ) does the same.He has a toy car :-)that he goes mad with ,racing round the back of the settee in circles for a few minutes and then jumping on his car growling and barking at it.He soon gets fed up with this though and after a drink of water lies down on his favorite cushion to watch telly and chew his chewy bone.:-)...after having the 3 kids do very simular(not the chewy bone though lol) mad half hour dashes,i hadnt stopped to think if it was un normal or not.
Chrissy xxxxxx
By sue pye [gb] Date 09.06.02 17:46 GMT
Thanks for your replies. I feel much happier now as it seems to be quite normal behaviour. I've always had rescue dogs before and they've been older and although they loved a game as Poppy does they weren't as wild! It was interesting about the pattern of her "turns" because they're usually about half an hour after she's eaten so I wondered if it could be her food. She was having Beta Puppy food which the breeder gave me and I noticed it contains "meat" and "meat derivatives" whatever that means! As the bag was nearly finished I've gradually introduced Pedigree Complete dry puppy food. Today is the first day she's had no Beta at all and although she's been lively and had some good games she has been MUCH calmer. It may be just a coincidence but I wondered if anyone else has had the same experience?
By Jackie H [gb] Date 09.06.02 18:18 GMT
Very high protien food does cause high activity. JH
By eoghania [de] Date 09.06.02 19:00 GMT
Sue,
Here's how crazy dogs can get sometimes .... I just got home from a mile and a half bike ride where my two (small 15 & 17 lbs) dogs ran alongside for the entire time. They're now racing through the house, up and down the two flights of stairs a mile a minute barking wildly in happiness and excitement.... They're about 7 & 8 years old :-)
:cool:
ooops, not talking about their food, obviously ;-)
By Lady Dazzle (***) [gb] Date 09.06.02 18:28 GMT
Sounds like a perfectly normal healthy Border Terrier puppy to me, and I should know having a houseful of BT's.

All of mine love to dash round the garden at ninety miles and hour, even my oldies join in every now and again when the mood takes them. Sometimes in a group which does my shrubs no good at all, but very often as an individual. Its almost as if they are having a race with themselves. My baby Rosie, still my baby although she is now 10 months and by the way came second at her second champ show last week!!, thinks that the louder she barks the better we like it, even coming straight through the house hitting the back of the sofa like the wall of death and setting off again.

I would imagine that she probably puts her tail down between her legs, puts her botom to the floor and just runs, please do not correct her for doing this it is just her natural exuberance in living.

There is nothing more pleasing than seeing a puppy enjoying life and thats what she is doing. Enjoy her they are not puppies for nearly long enough.

I do agree with Jackie, don't keep her on too high a protein food for too long, Borders cannot tolerate high protein, mine are on 18% from about 6 months of age. I have found that Omega puppy one of the best for rearing BT puppies, reasonable amount of protein and good oil content.

Any help I can give please don't hesitate to e-mail me.

Jayne
OFFLINE IS NOT OUT OF MIND
By sue pye [gb] Date 15.06.02 17:50 GMT
Thank you again for your advice. Poppy still has her "mad half hours" when she runs round and round usually with a toy in her mouth but she isn't aggressive towards us now which is what was really worrying me,only growling at the toy and flinging it around! I was really pleased to have a reply from Lady Dazzle who is obviously a great Border Terrier expert and I'll probably need more advice in the future! Thanks again to everyone. x
By Lady Dazzle (***) [gb] Date 15.06.02 19:22 GMT
Sue

You are very welcome to ask anything else you may have problems with and I'll try to help.

Poppy sounds a typical delightful BT puppy and I hope you get all the fun from having her that I do with my gang.

Who did you buy her from maybe I know of them?

Regards

Jayne
OFFLINE IS NOT OUT OF MIND
By sue pye [gb] Date 17.06.02 15:55 GMT
Jayne,
We are delighted with Poppy.My son had set his heart on a BT after looking through dog books and finding out all we could about them on the internet(including this site).We had a lot of trouble tracing a local breeder as they're few and far between in the Cheshire area.We eventually found a breeder through Loot.She lives in Crewe and owns Poppy's mum who's gorgeous and we saw photos of her Dad who's from a kennels in North Wales.Thank you again for your kind offer of advice. Sue x
By Maisy-Moo [gb] Date 26.06.02 09:29 GMT
just really to add to what everyone else has said, this is completely normal behaviour for a border terrier. Our six month old one still loves to do this, particularly when chewing a string of 'naughty' plastic sausages. She runs up and down just as you describe and we thouroughly enjoy watching her 'mad' time. Borders are absolutely fab but of course, I'm very biased.
By sue pye [gb] Date 28.06.02 16:50 GMT
Thanks for that. We have come to the conclusion that its normal behaviour in fact as I'm writing this Poppy is tearing round the house and garden with a furry penguin in her mouth growling at it! At least she sleeps well at nights and so do we! We love her to bits and she wouldn't be the same without her mad half hours!
By John (****) [gb] Date 28.06.02 17:38 GMT
I spent the first 6 years of her life wishing that one of my Labradors would grow up Sue, then the rest of her life hoping she never would! I got me second wish! :-)

Regards, John
By Lindsay (****) [gb] Date 30.06.02 06:55 GMT
My sister's Jack Russell bitch would have what we called her "mad figure of eight"; she would just go into overdrive and race like a lunatic in a figure of 8 all round the room, completely bonkers. Oh yes, it's very normal!!! :-)

I guess in a way, it is a sign that all is well with your dog, so look upon it as a good thing!

Lindsay
By mari [ie] Date 10.06.02 10:29 GMT
I do not want to disagree with anyone as Im sure you are all probably right
I did say in my post it could be hyperactivity .
I do feel as we can not see the puppy ourselves a quick visit to the vet would be safer just to rule out problems and then let the puppy get on with it . best wishes Marie
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